Assen MotoGP discussion *SPOILERS*

**roogazza** · 29th June 2008, 11:36

[QUOTE=Crasherfromwayback;1627041]
I'd love to see a gloves off showdown between Rossi, Stoner and the sulky dwarf with a round to go!

That would be great to see Crasher! (but I will still back Rossi in the Situation)
SKY on the other hand will lose me after that last race ! Gaz.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 29th June 2008, 14:56

Originally Posted by roogazza

That would be great to see Crasher! (but I will still back Rossi in the Situation)
SKY on the other hand will lose me after that last race ! Gaz.

Interesting. You do remember it was Rossi that blew it under pressure from Nicky Hayden in the last round of the '06' championship don't ya?

That was the 1st and only time Rossi has had that sort of pressure, as all of his championships have been won well before the last round in the past.

I'll be watching closely this year. Have you noticed that Stoner hasn't crashed out of a race since his 1st year in Moto GP? And that Rossi is now having to try so hard he's crashed?

It's my belief that Stoner will perfom better under severe pressure than Rossi.

**riffer** · 29th June 2008, 14:58

I have to agree with you there Pete. It pains me to say it, but I think Rossi's met his match with Stoner.

**Matt Bleck** · 29th June 2008, 15:23

Originally Posted by White trash

Bwahahahaha, fuck that's gold. I was up anyway. These future MotoGP stars sure like their sustanence.

Good to see Riff Raff has you sorted with the domestic chores.... hows the nappies?

**NZsarge** · 29th June 2008, 15:48

Originally Posted by riffer

I have to agree with you there Pete. It pains me to say it, but I think Rossi's met his match with Stoner.

I dunno, perhaps. I still think when the pace is similar as a racer Rossi has an edge but the pace is not similar.Is'nt it interesting the difference an electronics upgrade can make?
Get rid of em I say!! That could yield some interesting results.

**riffer** · 29th June 2008, 16:05

Originally Posted by NZsarge

Get rid of em I say!! That could yield some interesting results.

Better yet. Bring back the two-smokers mate.

**Hinny** · 29th June 2008, 16:17

Originally Posted by roogazza

Yep K14, Pedrosa with a chance only in the dry, If it rains, he has weakness, so it seems? It pisses down quite often in Holland.

Wrong call there Brother.
Pedrosa came through with the fastest time in the wet.
My money is still on Pedrosa to take the title.
He is the second most winning rider on the circuit after Rossi.

**BigG** · 29th June 2008, 17:06

Dont count Lorenzo out he started 17 th off the grid and finished 6th didnt he, that little sh__ has bleeding guts and determination but needs to learn not to push to hard. Pedrosa is good untill 3 laps to go and seems his tyres bomb out, Stoner is light and sleek it aint the bike its the rider cos there aint another duke in sight, Rossi is still good and he's real good but I'm afraid to say it no one is up to Stoner he will be the Champ again.
Watch the street stocks to night on WSBk thats bloody good raceing.

**Mort** · 29th June 2008, 17:10

Check out Rossi's gear change lever at the end... Broke clean off leaving a 1cm piece left.... and yet he could ride as fast as Pedrosa in the end. Amazing.

Rossi can still win this championship... and will !!

**NZsarge** · 29th June 2008, 17:28

Originally Posted by BigG

Dont count Lorenzo out he started 17 th off the grid and finished 6th didnt he, that little sh__ has bleeding guts and determination but needs to learn not to push to hard. Pedrosa is good untill 3 laps to go and seems his tyres bomb out, Stoner is light and sleek it aint the bike its the rider cos there aint another duke in sight, Rossi is still good and he's real good but I'm afraid to say it no one is up to Stoner he will be the Champ again.
Watch the street stocks to night on WSBk thats bloody good raceing.

I agree up to a point, I think it would be reasonably fair to sumize that the factory teams have one rider in mind when developing a new bike and it's generally bares out in the race results.
It was'nt until this new electronics package was fettled that Stoner got his pace back.
Develop the bikes without the electronic riding aids and I believe that you'd see some different results, at the very least I don't think you would see Stoner disappear like he has these last two races, I think it's vital to the sport too keep it interesting that they get rid of the electronic rider aids, it's happening to a certain point in F1 and it's become a more interesting spectacle because of it.
I think a control tyre would'nt hurt either.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 29th June 2008, 21:30

Originally Posted by NZsarge

I dunno, perhaps. I still think when the pace is similar as a racer Rossi has an edge but the pace is not similar.Is'nt it interesting the difference an electronics upgrade can make?
Get rid of em I say!! That could yield some interesting results.

There's no doubting Rossi is/has been one of the best motorcycle racers the world has ever seen...but there's nothing surer than no matter how fast/good you are...there's always gonna be some one some day that'll go faster still!

What has impressed me most about Stoner (other than his sheer speed), is that he doesn't seem to bow to mind games or jibes from the other guys, and no matter how bad things have gone, he's never doubted his ability (Melandri??). That and he's never tried to outride the Duke when things haven't gone his way (Rossi)...he's simply ridden smart and collected as many points as poss. All that and with the cutest Mrs in the paddock!!!

**Finn** · 30th June 2008, 08:53

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Ohhh and Finn...Told you before the season started that Hopkins would crash far more often on his Kawasaki than he ever did on his Suzuki!

What was really funny was when Haydon got overtaken while rolling past the finish and lost a podium position.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 30th June 2008, 10:12

Originally Posted by Finn

What was really funny was when Haydon got overtaken while rolling past the finish and lost a podium position.

Yeah I bet Edwards found it pretty funny too!

**NZsarge** · 30th June 2008, 10:12

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

There's no doubting Rossi is/has been one of the best motorcycle racers the world has ever seen...but there's nothing surer than no matter how fast/good you are...there's always gonna be some one some day that'll go faster still!

Yeah that is the natural order of things for sure but Rossi is not there yet. This is why i'd like to see a ban on rider aids and have a control tyre, you'd see who's leaning on electronics and who is top of the line talent. None of these guys in Moto GP are shit riders though I just think there would be a lot more interesting racing seen.

What has impressed me most about Stoner (other than his sheer speed), is that he doesn't seem to bow to mind games or jibes from the other guys, and no matter how bad things have gone, he's never doubted his ability (Melandri??). That and he's never tried to outride the Duke when things haven't gone his way (Rossi)...he's simply ridden smart and collected as many points as poss. All that and with the cutest Mrs in the paddock!!!

I don't have a bank vault memory like some people on KB but i'm certain he's put foward some founded and un-founded shitty remarks about his competitors but in general he is indeed very good at staying level headed on the bike these days but it's early days yet too.
I don't really think Rossi should be knocked too hard for trying to ride his bike as fast as he can get it to go when he's off the pace, he is Italian after all and he's more human for his mistakes. As professional as he is becoming Stoner is boring but I guess in the end you can't argue with results....

**roogazza** · 30th June 2008, 10:26

Rossi must have been pissed off slipping off like that cos his times showed that he would have been there (even with just a piece of gear lever)
He's only human and Pete you're right, there is only one way when you're at the top. That Duc and Stoner are a great combo but it ain't over yet.

Mrs Stoner wears a lovely little pair of jeans !!!

As NZsarge said , remove the electronics !
Gaz.