New Zealand - The right to leave our country

[Hinny]

All I know is that I'm sick of feeling guilty for being white in NZ.At times it seems my ancestors stole everything,killed everyone and now I have to pay for it forever.

In the immortal words of the recently deceased, and hopefully never forgotten, George Carlin...
"Unless you're a black, homosexual, working class woman, you're an oppressor.. Pig. You deserve to die!"

[Hinny]

When you want to buy a nice pie, who has made it?

I think you'll find many quality pies baked by immigrants from S.E. Asia.

What about beer?

I haven't found one yet so have to disagree with you there.
Plenty of Asian bakers... Plenty of crap pies. It seems they were all taught by the same person...who was obviously a poor student.

What about beer? Yeah, that would be nice. I've just finished my bottle of wine.

[Hinny]

Who's this 'we', Immigrant Boy?

Could it be:
The royal 'we',
The collective 'we',
or just him and his bloody tapeworm?

jrandom... I like your style.

[mstriumph]

Oh dear the doom and gloomers are out....

Amazes me how we make so much fuss about relatively small impact issues...so what if a muslim is allowed to wear her veil on the photo licence...it has a signature for identification purposes so easy for cop to identify.

no - No - NO!!!
this is NOT a small issue
this is making a different set of rules for a section of the community based on their gender and ethnicity or religion
this is DISCRIMINATION

----- and it may well, also, be the thin end of the wedge .......


this is unacceptable

[RantyDave]

"In God we trust "is our national Motto.

My ideology! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine!

Dave

[mstriumph]

............ I just think that in able to have disadvantaged populations (such as maori/african american) become 'equal' (as everyone claims to want) you cant just treat everyone as equal because thats only going to maintain the disparity. You need extra/specific programs or rights to allow the inequality to be lessened.

firstly you are, erroneously, lumping maori together with african americans [which i find culturally offensive] and making a flying leap of pseudo-logic that because the latter may be disadvantaged it 'proves' the former likewise is

you then compound the error by wanting to tip quantities of taxpayer funds into 'righting' the pseudo wrong by introducing 'specific' programs which, by their very nature of playing to one group of the populace only, are OF THEIR VERY SELVES discriminatory

tea - i need tea .............

[cs363]

you then compound the error by wanting to tip quantities of taxpayer funds into 'righting' the pseudo wrong by introducing 'specific' programs which, by their very nature of playing to one group of the populace only, are OF THEIR VERY SELVES discriminatory

Yep...precisely the point I was trying to make with my (much!) earlier post of that email I received.

[rachprice]

firstly you are, erroneously, lumping maori together with african americans [which i find culturally offensive] and making a flying leap of pseudo-logic that because the latter may be disadvantaged it 'proves' the former likewise is

you then compound the error by wanting to tip quantities of taxpayer funds into 'righting' the pseudo wrong by introducing 'specific' programs which, by their very nature of playing to one group of the populace only, are OF THEIR VERY SELVES discriminatory

tea - i need tea .............

I wasn't lumping them together I use maori because it is the one i know most about and I said african american to reflect back to the post i mentioned.
How is it culturally offensive anyway?
I am not using 'psuedo-logic' I know that both are disadvantaged, in health and education (maybe other things these are just the two i know most about) How do you reach the conclusion that trying to 'prove' one group is disadvantaged by stating another?
Thats my whole point though, to fix the inequality that IS there (whether you like to admit or not) you have to go the extra distance to make things equal.
Take an imbalanced scale for example, its just going to stay exactly where it is if you do nothing (treating all races equally), but if you add more weight (resources) to the lighter side it will become the same therefore achieving equality
Isn't equality what we strive for?
In a perfect world there wouldn't be inequalities, but there is and as a society we need to address them.
Just by being born that maori/pacific islander your statistically (very significantly at that) disadvantaged. You cant tell me that its the maori/pacific island childs fault that their parents are in the lower socieconomic groups, which therefore effects their health and attitudes towards education. These disadvantaged children (which go on to become adults) need to be given a chance. I'm all for giving every disadvantaged person a chance (not just maori/PI) but stats show that they are by far the most disavantaged races.

[cs363]

Just stop and think for a moment - what if we had the Pakeha All Blacks?
Can you imagine the uproar?
Yet no one seems to worry that we have a Maori All Blacks, which is even more bizarre in my mind when something like 80 or 90% of the All Blacks are Maori or Pacific Islanders anyway...
there are many more examples of what has been termed reverse racism, such as exclusive Maori schools etc etc
Why can't we just have one for all (and all for one?)?

[Niterider]

Hey cs363, I just had my laugh for the day - after reading the saying 'bout "B4 u judge..." real cool, good on ya!

[98tls]

I wasn't lumping them together I use maori because it is the one i know most about and I said african american to reflect back to the post i mentioned.
How is it culturally offensive anyway?
I am not using 'psuedo-logic' I know that both are disadvantaged, in health and education (maybe other things these are just the two i know most about) How do you reach the conclusion that trying to 'prove' one group is disadvantaged by stating another?
Thats my whole point though, to fix the inequality that IS there (whether you like to admit or not) you have to go the extra distance to make things equal.
Take an imbalanced scale for example, its just going to stay exactly where it is if you do nothing (treating all races equally), but if you add more weight (resources) to the lighter side it will become the same therefore achieving equality
Isn't equality what we strive for?
In a perfect world there wouldn't be inequalities, but there is and as a society we need to address them.
Just by being born that maori/pacific islander your statistically (very significantly at that) disadvantaged. You cant tell me that its the maori/pacific island childs fault that their parents are in the lower socieconomic groups, which therefore effects their health and attitudes towards education. These disadvantaged children (which go on to become adults) need to be given a chance. I'm all for giving every disadvantaged person a chance (not just maori/PI) but stats show that they are by far the most disavantaged races.

Dont worry mate it doesnt matter how or what you say this is the new NZ,somewhere sitting quietly in front of the computer is someone waiting to find something culturally offensive.Behind them an army of do-gooders.

[cs363]

Dont worry mate it doesnt matter how or what you say this is the new NZ,somewhere sitting quietly in front of the computer is someone waiting to find something culturally offensive.

That would be even funnier if it wasn't so true! We're lets face it!

[cs363]

Hey cs363, I just had my laugh for the day - after reading the saying 'bout "B4 u judge..." real cool, good on ya!

he he, thanks - just a wee bit of levity to tone down proceedings

[James Deuce]

I can't begin to describe how offensive the first post is. From it's pseudo patriotic rantings, to its US origins, to its utterly, gob-smackingly blind denial of the fundamental nature of nomadic human existence when we decided to leave Africa 2 million years ago after being reduced to a couple of very small family groups by centuries of drought.

Redneck, racist, hillbilly bollocks.

I sat in a neo-natal intensive care unit, praying that my third child would find the strength to survive the crucial early stages of his life, as his vital functions ran down and he struggled to adapt to making his body work in his own right outside the womb.

In amongst a room full of trained professionals, I watched feral white Kiwis bully each other, mock patients, and make a sport of reducing mothers to tears. To care as a health professional in that environment was to render yourself weak and easy prey for the more experienced staff. The only caring hand extended when it all seemed bleak belonged to a Somalian Muslim woman, who with the maximum facility of her limited English let us know that it was alright to be sad, that other people cared, and even though her husband had forced her onto the street because she had delivered a tainted child, she gave me and my wife a hug. We gave her food, we organised her somewhere to live, we watched her beautiful but doomed child while she caught sleep now and then in that fitful way people do when forced to grieve for the yet living. We struggled to say each other's name, but we smiled and watched and cared for each other.

She was an immigrant. May we gather many more like her to this country.

[tgb_novice]

I can't begin to describe how offensive the first post is. From it's pseudo patriotic rantings, to its US origins, to its utterly, gob-smackingly blind denial of the fundamental nature of nomadic human existence when we decided to leave Africa 2 million years ago after being reduced to a couple of very small family groups by centuries of drought.

Redneck, racist, hillbilly bollocks.

I sat in a neo-natal intensive care unit, praying that my third child would find the strength to survive the crucial early stages of his life, as his vital functions ran down and he struggled to adapt to making his body work in his own right outside.

In amongst a room full of trained professionals, I watched feral white Kiwis bully each other, mock patients, and make a sport of reducing mothers to tears. To care as a health professional in that environment was to render yourself weak and easy prey for the more experienced staff. The only caring hand extended when it all seemed bleak belonged to a Somalian Muslim woman, who with the maximum facility of her limited English let us know that it was alright to be sad, that other people cared, and even though her husband had forced her onto the street because she had delivered a tainted child, she gave me and my wife a hug. We gave her food, we organised her somewhere to live, we watched her beautiful but doomed child while she caught sleep now and then in that fitful way people do when forced to grieve for the yet living. We struggled to say each other's name, but we smiled and watched and cared for each other.

She was an immigrant. May we gather many more like her to this country.

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