It's not OK to hit someone. EVER

[HenryDorsetCase]

She mighta been asking for it for a long time, some women can be total bitches

As far as putting him in jail goes, she must've been happy with the $$$ she got, as she's said nothing about it. Not sure how I feel about that yet... sure, it's probably better than any other reparation or satisfaction she's likely to get through the legal system, but do we really want the rich to be able to pay their way out of things like that?

yes please.

also isnt she in some high powered job or other?

[Fatjim]

" It's not OK to hit someone. EVER"

Well sorry, this comes from the same simpletons book of English comprehension as some do gooders understanding of violence.

It is ok to hit some people in certain circumstances. To deny this is just plain retarded.

[blacksheep]

D-I-Y-A? What's that? Do It Yourself Aggro?

lol funny bugger

[Fatjim]

I am one of the few who dont see domestic violence as black and white though.

I'm with you, those who do see it as black and white tend to be those who've not experienced it.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Besides being sexist - that clause does not take into account the resulting injury. I am confident that you could be imprisoned for more than 2 years if the assault ended up with the victim dying of her injuries.

Surely there's a difference between assault causing injury and assault... If you slap someone that can constitute assault - if you hit someone in the head with a baseball bat turning them into a vegetable that is a different situation.

if they die its murder or manslaughter.

there are a bunch of different assault classifications: on a female, with a weapon, causing injury, etc etc.

also it depends on how serious it is if the charge is laid as a summary offence or indictably.

giving this poor woman a kicking sounds to me like what used to be called GBH: I think now its aggravated assault, causing injury? max penalty IIRC is 14 years. (feel free to correct me someone if you know)

What i am secretly (OK not secretly) pleased about is that this jumped up fucker Vietch is having his career ruined, in slow motion and with much hype and publicity. Fucker. That is much more important to him than the money or whatever.


Watch for a 20/20 interview in about three months as his PR flacks try to rehabilitate him: he wil be in tears, he will be remorseful and he will do a lot of great work for charity. they will then attempt to over the next few months rehabilitate his public image. He will quit drinking, do mucho charity work, and end up in a new relationship. he and the new partner will be happy and have children and end up in No Idea or Wimmins Weakly. about three months after that he will start to get "guest" roles on TV again, then a few months after that it will be business as usual.

It will work because people can be stupid. and they believe it if it is on TV.

and if TV says he has reformed then, well, of course he has.

Fucker.

[Fatjim]

Well I'm sorry but I DO see violence as pretty much black and white, particularly in this context.

How can it be particularly "black and white" in this context, or do you not see all violence (as you implied above) as B&W?

[Winston001]

" It's not OK to hit someone. EVER"

Well sorry, this comes from the same simpletons book of English comprehension as some do gooders understanding of violence.

It is ok to hit some people in certain circumstances. To deny this is just plain retarded.

Well yeah - battlefield, self-defence, boxing ring, are good examples but that's not the topic you stirrer...... We're talking about domestic violence.

[Winston001]

I'm with you, those who do see it as black and white tend to be those who've not experienced it.

Not picking on you FJ - honest.



OK. Deep breath. There is an emerging school of thought that in evolutionary psychology, men are prone to violent reactions to verbal challenges. In other words, our primitive response to getting a tongue-lashing is to biff the other person. Actions speak louder than words.

What this means is that men are vulnerable compared to women, who have much better verbal skills and are able to wind men up. Men can't reply fast enough so they deal with the problem in a physical way.

Don't get me wrong, I think family violence is abhorrent and this is not an excuse for men hitting women. It is however an explanation.

[avgas]

Ummm... I don't trust any tabloid in the slightest. All I'm saying that in the case of domestic violence, using force unless protecting yourself is unacceptable. That's just my personal choice, but it also happens to be the law. I'm not being sanctimonious, that's simply a personal choice on how I want to live my life; irrespective of whatever the true facts are in the Veitch case.

Very true - i just know somethings cut deeper and are not punishable by law however.
Facts and stories are 2 things - a fact has proof of evidence, i am yet to see that.

[Fatjim]

Not picking on you FJ - honest.



OK. Deep breath. There is an emerging school of thought that in evolutionary psychology, men are prone to violent reactions to verbal challenges. In other words, our primitive response to getting a tongue-lashing is to biff the other person. Actions speak louder than words.

What this means is that men are vulnerable compared to women, who have much better verbal skills and are able to wind men up. Men can't reply fast enough so they deal with the problem in a physical way.

Don't get me wrong, I think family violence is abhorrent and this is not an excuse for men hitting women. It is however an explanation.

Actually, the difference is that men need and give more commitment to an argument than women. What I mean by this is that women can have a go at you and turn round and say "I didn't mean anything by it" etc. Whereas, for a man to get pissed at someone usually means they are really pissed.

As a rule, it takes more time for a man to blow his top, and hence means more.

That saying "Like water of a ducks back" It should be "drakes" because the female of species gets pissed real easily.

This of course ignores those pricks out there that easily get riled up, and need to grow the fuck up.

Now lots of bitches, and psuado bitches out there will get all prissy about me saying that there is a difference between men and women, but suck it up and smell the roses.

[Sanx]

women would get beaten for ... even thinking for themselves.

Nah. No woman would get beaten for that. It'd be like whipping a dog for not meowing.

[jrandom]

jumped up fucker... Fucker... Fucker.

I'm starting to get the impression that you might dislike the man.



Met him, have you? Given you personal offense, has he?

Hmmm?

Only comment I'd make on this specific case is that I'll pass no judgment and make no comment unless a court convicts him of assault.

Until then, it's all bullshit and jellybeans.

I'm sickened by the inevitable slavering mob that eats from the media's gleefully outstretched hand, soaking up the advertisements that drip from it, every time some sordid little celebrity story hits the headlines.

This thread is pathetic.

[wildcat_lgf]

what I find ironic about the whole incident...is that Trevor Mallard is commenting on the issue - the very man who got in a fight with another politician.

Where does he get off passing judgment? Surely what's good for the goose is good for the gander? (i.e. in both cases they are physical assault)

[HenryDorsetCase]

I'm starting to get the impression that you might dislike the man.



Met him, have you? Given you personal offense, has he?

Hmmm?

Only comment I'd make on this specific case is that I'll pass no judgment and make no comment unless a court convicts him of assault.

Until then, it's all bullshit and jellybeans.

I'm sickened by the inevitable slavering mob that eats from the media's gleefully outstretched hand, soaking up the advertisements that drip from it, every time some sordid little celebrity story hits the headlines.

This thread is pathetic.

no I havent met him. Yes he has given me personal offense. I dont have to meet someone to hate them. I hate ALL

[Skyryder]

It is ok to hit some people in certain circumstances. To deny this is just plain retarded.[/B]

Of course this only applies to 'other' people and 'not' your self.

Skyyrder