A question to IT KBers, part II

[jrandom]

Visual Studio is nice (what's wrong with vi though!)

You knew someone would post this, didn't you?

[jrandom]

I'd say java because of my fairly strong hatred for c#

Its brilliant until you get down to speeding things up and you realize how completely hair-brained the .net environment really is i have had it firing events twice, not firing events when it should and even had it lock up while doing something as simple as processing the same string it has 1000s of times...

With all due respect, I'd say that you probably didn't quite grok how the .NET Framework was meant to be used in those specific instances. Messrs Hejlsberg & Co know what they're doing.

... the more you can find you have to re-write to make everything contiguous, though i think this is mainly my inexperience...

A little bit, aye.

[mister.koz]

With all due respect, I'd say that you probably didn't quite grok how the .NET Framework was meant to be used in those specific instances. Messrs Hejlsberg & Co know what they're doing.

I find it quite unlikely that firing the same event twice in the same thread when the condition only occurred once could be something that was intentionally.

[yod]

meh

give PHP a crack

[mister.koz]

meh

give PHP a crack

yeah PHP is great not so good on the desktop tho... even if you get php-gtk working!

[Ixion]

It's very simplistic of course, but there's some introductory resources for C# targetted at Java programmers available here and here. Make use of all the education taxes you've been paying to universities!

C# is nice, .NET libraries are nice, Visual Studio is nice (what's wrong with vi though!), but why is the compiler so slow? Maybe to facilitate this...

If the compiler was faster , I wouldn't have time for KB!

And, of course, you can use vi with Visual Studio. Just write your code using vi, and compile with the command line compiler (eg csc.exe for C#). You did know that you don't have to use the IDE didn't you. csc.exe can also use responsefiles (sort of a poor mans makefile), to automate the process.

(NB the slow compile problem is a recognised bugette. There's a bunch of tips to overcome it on the web. Simplest way is to open two VS sessions. One to work on your forms and code, the other WHICH HAS NO FORMS OR ANYTHING OPEN, is just used to compile)

[yod]

web based is the shiz

lovin it

[mister.koz]

And, of course, you can use vi with Visual Studio. Just write your code using vi, and compile with the command line compiler (eg csc.exe for C#). You did know that you don't have to use the IDE didn't you. csc.exe can also use responsefiles (sort of a poor mans makefile), to automate the process.

I dunno man, i reckon the best thing c#.net has going for it is the IDE, VS2005 (haven't used 2008 yet) has some really cool tricks and the syntax highlighting and code completion mean you can write when your eyes are tired!

Thats the only reason i haven't completely dropped c# for java, the java IDE's aren't quite as easy to use (opinion).

[enigma51]

The buzz word at the moment is Web 2.0 everyCEO/CIO has it on there lips at the moment and everyone wants a piece of the pie


To be Web 2.0 "ready" you will need to sadly go down the path of C# and J#. The .Net crap in other words

Java is also not a bad start at getting into the Web 2.0 bullshit.

Thats where the money is at the moment so if you are comfartable with Java go down that path

Just do a search on seek and see how many bloody .net and java roles are out there

[imdying]

i have had it firing events twice, not firing events when it should and even had it lock up while doing something as simple as processing the same string it has 1000s of times...

i would rather learn ruby on rails or write pages in html with notepad than write another asp.net website.

PEBKAC methinks...

[imdying]

To be Web 2.0 "ready" you will need to sadly go down the path of C# and J#. The .Net crap in other words

You do if you're smart... I've worked on a web2.0 ASP application, ewwww.

[enigma51]

You do if you're smart... I've worked on a web2.0 ASP application, ewwww.

From what i have seen most companies starting from scratch like to do with .net but those that are "rebuilding" try and do a combined pain in the ass method.

I avoid all that crap like the plague I hate web programing. Give me unix vms or anything and im happy.

Ooooo one more eve kicks VI's ass

and sed is for dorks!

[mister.koz]

PEBKAC methinks...

I've been writing c# and php professionally for 6 years, i checked my code quite a bit before i realizing that the .net framework wasn't perfect, its a known fault.

AND ruby looks pretty cool

[jrandom]

I find it quite unlikely that firing the same event twice in the same thread when the condition only occurred once could be something that was intentionally.

Oh well, fair call then.

Unfortunately you're never going to find a framework with zero bugs in its implementation.

[mister.koz]

Oh well, fair call then.

Unfortunately you're never going to find a framework with zero bugs in its implementation.

Yeah bit of a shame but the benefits of environment based languages are great, hence why i am looking at java. Also helps that i can host java on my servers asp.net doesn't do so well on linux :/ and writing business frameworks in 2 languages and using bridging api's is a nightmare i would sooner avoid!