"Kiwi Party" is this upstart political party worth my vote?

[_Shrek_]

I fully support more people voting for this Kiwi Party. The more people who waste a vote on them, the less votes National get.

The sad thing is that if any of these miner partys don't get 2% of the National vote their votes get divied up amongst the partys that do, ie wasted vote Labour gets back in

[Quasievil]

Nope - however my parents raised me without using the "smacking" option on a regular basis.
I shall aspire to do the same when my time comes.

I have raised two boys both 14 now and never have smacked them, thats to easy, anyone will know that there are far better and more impacting ways to punish, for example, removing privaleges like Xbox or similair, or denying them treats or pocket money, or even sending them to boring grandmas for a day to do her gardens.
So good on ya Mikkel, its easy to not hit ya kids, but it shouldnt be illegal to if you did.

[Mikkel]

Jesus H. Christ, dude, you don't argue with kids. You train them.

Well, if your only success criteria is to not raise a P-addict I'm sure smacking is a viable option.

I never said you shoul argue with kids - your house, your rules... it's not difficult. However, that's not the same as applying force instead of reason.

I have raised two boys both 14 now and never have smacked them, thats to easy, anyone will know that there are far better and more impacting ways to punish, for example, removing privaleges like Xbox or similair, or denying them treats or pocket money, or even sending them to boring grandmas for a day to do her gardens.
So good on ya Mikkel, its easy to not hit ya kids, but it shouldnt be illegal to if you did.

That's the one

Oh, I never said I thought it should be illegal - physical assault is already covered by criminal law, there should be no need for a specific clause on parent-child assault.
My only observation is just that it's fairly interesting that so many people consider it a problem that their "god-given right" to bash their kids around have been taken away.

[blossomsowner]

Jesus H. Christ, dude, you don't argue with kids. You train them.

thats for sure...........anytime you think you will win a argument/debate with one of your kids its all over. We don't convince by reasoning......what i say goes.

[Krayy]

As a matter of interest, if you do vote for the Kiwi Party, how much do you have to tithe to Destiny Church (their financial backers) so that Mr Tamaki can get himself a custom Boeing 747 this time? Or will he go for an A380?

This party looks totally "radical".

[oldrider]

As a matter of interest, if you do vote for the Kiwi Party, how much do you have to tithe to Destiny Church (their financial backers) so that Mr Tamaki can get himself a custom Boeing 747 this time? Or will he go for an A380?

This party looks totally "radical".

Tithe....Tax.....What's the difference? John.

[peasea]

beating kids...no! That implies bashing to a bloody pulp. But giving a kid a smack around the arse I find is okay...worked on me as a kid!

It worked on my kids too, now aged 16 and 18. They are not getting into trouble with the law, they know right from wrong and live by that. It's like good puppy training, get it right at the start and you won't have too many problems when they're grown.

My 18y/o is working, accumulating some household goods before she looks at tertiary studies for '09. My 16y/o is doing extremely well in 6th form, her last report was a gem.

I'm proud of my girls and as parents we DID most assuredly smack their bums when they were little. It was rare though and I felt like shit when I did it but you have to look at the bigger picture. Nine times out of ten a loud voice works on toddlers but you need to back it up on the odd occasion and also be consistent. Then they know that a loud voice means what it says, just like a puppy.

The last time I saw Sue Bradford on TV I thought she could do with losing about six or seven kilos of useless, unsightly fat. Would someone PLEASE cut off her head?

[RantyDave]

The Kiwi Party is advocating policies that address one of the main issues of life in NZ, and that is one of Family.

No mate, it's Christian child beaters in disguise. They say "Family" because "Passing on violent attitudes to the next generation" was rejected by marketing.

Dave

[Str8 Jacket]

Nope - however my parents raised me without using the "smacking" option on a regular basis.
I shall aspire to do the same when my time comes.

I take it you are just taking the piss though - anyone who enjoys debate the way you do would have to agree that resorting to violence is usually the first sign that you have run out of good arguments.

I dont agree with you but I am not even gonna bother arguing with you cause you dont agree with mine. BUT.... I am a woman so I just *have* to have my say.... .......

Smacking a child on the bum after a warning to stop their bad behaviour in MY opinion is totally justified. It is not beating in MY opinion. If I have children and they are naughty then I will smack them if their behaviour is *that* bad.

BTW, this is my opinion and I dont give a flying f*ck if you dont like it.

[peasea]

It's a hell of a shame we don't have the McGillicuddy Serious Party any more, if nothing else those folk brought some levity to an election.

[avgas]

Nope - however my parents raised me without using the "smacking" option on a regular basis.
I shall aspire to do the same when my time comes.

What people aspire to do should not become law but common sense. While im against the beating of kids, i feel the anti-smacking bill is kinda pointless. If your going to do that you may as well drop ACC and change completely like the US where your kids can just sue you.
By making smaking illegal you are not removing cases of kids getting beat up - you removing cases of kids reporting being beat. Assault was illegal before the anti-smacking bill was introduced, and it got quite a few parents into the slammer - how many has the anti-smacking bill got?