Sliding and the two wheel drift?

**lostinflyz** · 13th August 2008, 21:57

OK this has been bugging me for a bit but how do all the good guys get used to/learn to slide.

I've heard several stories of some of our better racers telling others to just slide both ends into a corner and she'll be right. How the hell did they learn to do it. Ok i can understand the the rear end slide side of things and how in time you could get used to it(sorta) and kinda get where dirt riding would help but i mean sliding a dirt bike round a muddy paddock and a race bike at some significant lean angles and fairlysizeable speeds just seems crazy. And dont even get me started on sliding the front wheel. to me that seems crazy.

Im not trying to emulate or learn any of this stuff i simply just wonder how the hell guys learn and get used to it. i can imagine learning it involving a million crashes and several lifetimes worth of pain. but surely that is not how guys have done it as it surely means more bills to pay than is feasible (someones gotta front the cash) and more broken bones than is possible.

**t3mp0r4ry nzr** · 14th August 2008, 12:57

a dirt bike will help you get used to sliding in and out of a corner and if you lay it down it dont cost ya anything!! find a gravel road and attack it, you will soon get used to sliding both ends into a turn, possibley loosing the front mid turn and picking it up with sliding the rear on exit. you cant learn this on a road/race bike without lots of expensive crashes!! This is why mx'ers are good when they convert to road racing, they know how to slide if need be and are masters of slide control.

**scrivy** · 14th August 2008, 13:19

Dude, get a sidecar. Heaps of 1, 2 and 3 wheel drifting to be had!! Then there's the rain.............

Yee Haaaaa.....

**sidecar bob** · 14th August 2008, 16:16

Originally Posted by scrivy

Dude, get a sidecar. Heaps of 1, 2 and 3 wheel drifting to be had!! Then there's the rain.............

Yee Haaaaa.....

And just like a double ended dildo, Two people can get their rocks off with one at the same time.

**sugilite:Me** · 14th August 2008, 16:54

I used to put a stuffed front tyre on a dirt bike, then ride it feet up. Just be prepared to eat dirt from time to time.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 14th August 2008, 16:58

Get a big dirtbike and ride in sand a lot. Best learning surface of them all.

**BIHB@0610** · 14th August 2008, 17:05

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

And just like a double ended dildo, Two people can get their rocks off with one at the same time.

aaah .... Now I understand! LCR = "Lacivious Carnal Rampage" ...

**svr** · 14th August 2008, 17:44

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Get a big dirtbike and ride in sand a lot. Best learning surface of them all.

True - Only time that soft is good.

On a slow bike like the vfr won't sliding tires just slow you down ? - don't you want to be `at' the limit of your tires, not over?
Always fun to watch a madman tho!

**Motu** · 14th August 2008, 18:03

To learn to push and slide the front tyre,and to crash a lot - you need to do some flattrack,like the real pro's do.Get on a hard pack clay track with a blue groove - toss it into the corner with no brakes,the bike will two wheel drift and as you approach the apex the front tyre will be very loaded and slide.Lots of fun - and you will no longer be afraid of a front wheel slide.The tyres will howl....and I've paced out more than 3 metres of black marks from the front wheel several times.

**johan** · 14th August 2008, 18:12

When I was a kid, I used to take my 50cc bike out to the frozen lakes. I had snow tyres with studs on the rear. The best condition was clear ice with powder snow on top of it that would make it hurt less when you crashed. I loved sliding on the ice, you actually had lot of control.

Of course, this was 15 years ago. Now I'm old and scared, so I've never tried to do any sliding with my road bike on the track.
Maybe if I get powder snow again...

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/92090/...ce_roadracing/

**lostinflyz** · 14th August 2008, 20:06

yea understandbly you need to practice on dirt. but does it really apply that literaly to the track. I mean ive heard of some guys 2 wheel drifting through the corner at the end of timaru straight and thats a stupidly fast corner. Some of that sounds either like stupid talent or stupid balls.

Eitherway i dont really want to learn to slide it all around. if i ever tried the only thing sliding would be my arse. I simply wonder how on earth u learn and get used to sliding a bike stupid pace.

**CHOPPA** · 14th August 2008, 20:13

I wouldnt like to be sliding the front end and i wouldnt recommend trying it cause its not gonna be fast, i can feel the front pushing in corners but my logic is that means your about on the limit... Maybe thats what seperates the good guys they let the front push that little bit more but sliding? I reakon that comes just before scratching. Even on the dirt sliding the front wheel is far from ideal

**CHOPPA** · 14th August 2008, 20:17

actually the reason i checked this thread out is because every time there is a 'what tyre' thread you are garanteed to read about some guys that ride on the road and come sideways into corners and smoke it up coming out lol i only get 1000ks out of my tyre and that sorta shit, id like to see those guys ride......

**CHOPPA** · 14th August 2008, 20:21

Originally Posted by Motu

To learn to push and slide the front tyre,and to crash a lot - you need to do some flattrack,like the real pro's do.Get on a hard pack clay track with a blue groove - toss it into the corner with no brakes,the bike will two wheel drift and as you approach the apex the front tyre will be very loaded and slide.Lots of fun - and you will no longer be afraid of a front wheel slide.The tyres will howl....and I've paced out more than 3 metres of black marks from the front wheel several times.

Didnt think about that type of riding! Have done similar on mx bikes on super hard tracks like puke with blue groove but never had enough practice on a single corner to get it even close to down, that shit looks like fun!

**lostinflyz** · 14th August 2008, 21:30

Originally Posted by Motu

To learn to push and slide the front tyre,and to crash a lot - you need to do some flattrack,like the real pro's do.Get on a hard pack clay track with a blue groove - toss it into the corner with no brakes,the bike will two wheel drift and as you approach the apex the front tyre will be very loaded and slide.Lots of fun - and you will no longer be afraid of a front wheel slide.The tyres will howl....and I've paced out more than 3 metres of black marks from the front wheel several times.

while were here what is a blue groove??