Has New Zealand gone soft?

[Swoop]

Did our boys (and girls) call out to Hitler that it wasn't about winning, but taking part?

The NAZI's didn't lose. They came second.

Good post mate!

New Zealand first sent athletes to the Olympics in 1908.

Wnston Peters' party was around waaaay back then???

[MSTRS:Me]

The prosecution responds by pointing out that Dunkirk is one of our more respected battle honours. We lost. And Culloden one of the more despised. Cumberland won.

Oh, yes. And remember the Alamo. Some may also remember HMS Jervis Bay. The VC citation read "Valour in challenging hopeless odds and giving his life to save the many ships it was his duty to protect". Not the first time our highest award has gone to a loser.

Ah, but you see it's not always the winner that is feted. We know that. Does anyone remember the winners in that car race where one driver pushed his out of gas car across the line to record a finish. Some losers are winners by default, because they did more than just 'participate'.

[Grahameeboy]

Ah, but you see it's not always the winner that is feted. We know that. Does anyone remember the winners in that car race where one driver pushed his out of gas car across the line to record a finish. Some losers are winners by default, because they did more than just 'participate'.

We are all winners....

[mangell6]

"I told him no The most important thing was the desire,the need to win was most important."

Now that there has been a lot of discussion on the second part of Frostys' statement, anyone want to discuss the "MOST IMPORTANT THING"

BTW that was "Desire"

If an individual wants anything they have to desire it, if the desire is strong enough then the individual will do anything to achieve their desired goal. If that goal is to WIN (by what ever means) then . . . . . . .

[FJRider]

"I told him no The most important thing was the desire,the need to win was most important."

Now that there has been a lot of discussion on the second part of Frostys' statement, anyone want to discuss the "MOST IMPORTANT THING"

BTW that was "Desire"

If an individual wants anything they have to desire it, if the desire is strong enough then the individual will do anything to achieve their desired goal. If that goal is to WIN (by what ever means) then . . . . . . .

"Desire to win" is in all who compete, at any level, in any competition. This "desire to win", is usually overwhelmed, by the risk of "desire not to lose".

[FROSTY:Me]

I guess Im a couple of generations behind the "times"
If I wanted anything in life I had to work for it.
I learned at a pretty early age that if I wanted anything badly enough I would find a way to get/do it.

[mangell6]

Exactly.

[Big Dave]

If at first you don't succeed - so much for skydiving.

[scumdog]

I guess Im a couple of generations behind the "times"
If I wanted anything in life I had to work for it.
I learned at a pretty early age that if I wanted anything badly enough I would find a way to get/do it.

So, so true.

Determination and ingenuity have got me most of what I have.

(except the bad breath and gimpy knee..)

[MSTRS:Me]

We are all winners....

No. We have to have done something outstanding (at least, for that person) to deserve the title 'winner'.

[Grahameeboy]

No. We have to have done something outstanding (at least, for that person) to deserve the title 'winner'.

Nope, still think we are all winners...

[MSTRS:Me]

That's just muddled thinking, g'boy.

[Grahameeboy]

That's just muddled thinking, g'boy.

Muddled or not it works for me...

[FROSTY:Me]

Nope, still think we are all winners...

Try this one dude. we ALL have the POTENTIAL to be winners.
Weather or not we act on that potential is entirely in our own hands

[Grahameeboy]

Try this one dude. we ALL have the POTENTIAL to be winners.
Weather or not we act on that potential is entirely in our own hands

Doesn't work for me...sorry....I know I am odd but hey ho