Has New Zealand gone soft?

**MSTRS:Me** · 16th August 2008, 16:49

Originally Posted by FROSTY

Try this one dude. we ALL have the POTENTIAL to be winners.
Weather or not we act on that potential is entirely in our own hands

Exactly

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Doesn't work for me...sorry....I know I am odd but hey ho

Now that I'll agree with

**Grahameeboy** · 16th August 2008, 16:50

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Exactly

Now that I'll agree with

So we are in agreement....cool....

**FROSTY:Me** · 16th August 2008, 16:50

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Doesn't work for me...sorry....I know I am odd but hey ho

well I spose you do ride a SV thou

**scumdog** · 16th August 2008, 16:52

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Nope, still think we are all winners...

Hmmmm, soooo....what does it take to be descrbed as a loser then??

**Grahameeboy** · 16th August 2008, 16:52

Originally Posted by FROSTY

well I spose you do ride a SV thou

What do you ride...mmm...mmm....it's on the tip of my tougue...okay I give up...lol

**Grahameeboy** · 16th August 2008, 16:53

Originally Posted by scumdog

Hmmmm, soooo....what does it take to be descrbed as a loser then??

That's easy, there are none silly if we are all winners....

**FROSTY:Me** · 16th August 2008, 16:59

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

What do you ride...mmm...mmm....it's on the tip of my tougue...okay I give up...lol

It changes daily --or ya could say I change bikes more often than some change underwear.
--GWAN say it---Frosty rides a LIFAN

**MSTRS:Me** · 16th August 2008, 17:04

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

So we are in agreement....cool....

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

That's easy, there are none silly if we are all winners....

Er...no.
I just can't get my head around the premise that 'everyone is a winner'. Logic says that for someone to win, then the others involved have to lose. Doesn't matter what the thing they are striving for is. To announce that everyone is a winner negates the efforts that some put in and gives false kudos to those that are just there.

**scumdog** · 16th August 2008, 17:10

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

That's easy, there are none silly if we are all winners....

That's like saying 'we're all tall' - but we are all various hights.
SOMEBODY has to be short for others to be tall....

**awayatc** · 16th August 2008, 17:14

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

We are all winners....

So that's an admission that there is such a thing as a competition then.......?

Sad never to experience the pride one gets from achieving something...........

Everybody can pick their own race, but if you never find your limits, how can push them.....and improve?
If we as a species would have thought like that, we'd still be crawling on all four.....

My kids are also winners, not because they also participated, but because they have on occasionc exceeded their OWN expectations....in an arena of their own chosing...

That makes people proud....
As does wearing that silver fern.....
justifiably so...

**slofox** · 16th August 2008, 17:37

There is nothing wrong with striving to be THE best.....

There is nothing wrong with striving to do YOUR best....

In fact that is what it is all about - striving to do your best so that we can find the best...

If we don't encourage all to do their best we get fewer winners - we get a much smaller pool of talent because too many people drop out through lack of success. This is where encouraging participation comes in - we want to keep the pool as big as possible so that the true talent will emerge. But that should never stand in the way of acknowledging excellence.
So I want to see both sides of this - I want participation to be high but I also want talent to emerge - the best talent. To achieve this neither elitism nor total equality should dominate. We need both....

(Or something....I think....can anybody understand this drivel....am I making sense here or am I just full of shit as usual.....muttermumblennngngrrrrrroink...?)

**Grahameeboy** · 16th August 2008, 17:40

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Er...no.
I just can't get my head around the premise that 'everyone is a winner'. Logic says that for someone to win, then the others involved have to lose. Doesn't matter what the thing they are striving for is. To announce that everyone is a winner negates the efforts that some put in and gives false kudos to those that are just there.

That's the probs with logic....

**Grahameeboy** · 16th August 2008, 17:41

Originally Posted by awayatc

So that's an admission that there is such a thing as a competition then.......?

Sad never to experience the pride one gets from achieving something...........

Everybody can pick their own race, but if you never find your limits, how can push them.....and improve?
If we as a species would have thought like that, we'd still be crawling on all four.....

My kids are also winners, not because they also participated, but because they have on occasionc exceeded their OWN expectations....in an arena of their own chosing...

That makes people proud....
As does wearing that silver fern.....
justifiably so...

How do you know I have not achieved...