One person one vote

**Robert Taylor** · 16th August 2008, 21:48

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Just what we needed. Yet another thread bashing out generalisations based on race, social status, and qualifications.

Go the NZ middle class! FTW!

The most bashed group in this country are in fact white anglo saxon protestant male businessmen. That is NOT in any way intended as a racist statement.
I say send the Somalian and all his brothers and sisters back to where they came from. One reason they are here is votes for Labour, FACT.
Go to the library and take out a book on the eminent British politician Enoch Powell. So much of what he warned is now coming true. He was a realist, not a racist.

**MadDuck** · 16th August 2008, 21:54

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

One reason they are here is votes for Labour, FACT.

Can you please provide the "source" of this fact?

**Pussy** · 16th August 2008, 21:57

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

The most bashed group in this country are in fact white anglo saxon protestant male businessmen.

You forgot "hetrosexual"!

**Bikernereid** · 16th August 2008, 22:31

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

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Go to the library and take out a book on the eminent British politician Enoch Powell. So much of what he warned is now coming true. He was a realist, not a racist.

The guy was a visionary and got a damned good hammering for it. But so many are realising now that what he said was true and not racist.

Reminds me of Machiavelli, who also had common sense and could see past the end of his nose. And he was vilified for what he wrote.

**rainman** · 16th August 2008, 22:32

Sigh. So many things wrong with this thread, I don't know where to start.

So maybe I'll just leave you hetero male WASP businessmen to the inevitable circlejerk that this will become, and go off and do something useful. Y'all have fun, now....

**98tls** · 16th August 2008, 22:45

Originally Posted by Bikern1mpho

The guy was a visionary and got a damned good hammering for it. But so many are realising now that what he said was true and not racist.

Reminds me of Machiavelli, who also had common sense and could see past the end of his nose. And he was vilified for what he wrote.

Wahoo...............to be honest its hard to believe i am reading this on KB.Any sense of reality on here is often seen as racist.

**oldrider** · 16th August 2008, 23:11

Originally Posted by Bikern1mpho

The guy was a visionary and got a damned good hammering for it. But so many are realising now that what he said was true and not racist.

Reminds me of Machiavelli, who also had common sense and could see past the end of his nose. And he was vilified for what he wrote.

You mean the author of "The Prince" was he the same Machiavilli?

I have that little booklet somewhere!

John.

**Bikernereid** · 16th August 2008, 23:22

Originally Posted by oldrider

You mean the author of "The Prince" was he the same Machiavilli?

I have that little booklet somewhere!

John.

Yep The Price is my fave book ever and The Art of War is a bloody good book too. Love Machiavelli he is my hero and if anyone ever calls me Machiavelli I take it is a compliment rather than the intended insult.

**Skyryder** · 17th August 2008, 00:01

Originally Posted by Bikern1mpho

Yep The Price is my fave book ever and The Art of War is a bloody good book too. Love Machiavelli he is my hero and if anyone ever calls me Machiavelli I take it is a compliment rather than the intended insult.

Try the test.

http://bob.bob.bofh.org/~robm/misc/MachIV.html

Skyyrder

**Skyryder** · 17th August 2008, 00:21

Originally Posted by oldrider

You mean the author of "The Prince" was he the same Machiavilli?

I have that little booklet somewhere!

John.

I read it many years ago and was one of the main reasons that I have the political philosophy that I have, not the only one but one of them.. It must be remembered that the Prince was written at a time of Florentine power and the states city states were in coflict with each other. The Prince was written as a treast for a dictatorial monarchy and gave the methods used for gaining and keeping power.

Machiavilli believed that is is best to be a ruler who is both loved and feared but if you can not be both it is better to be feared. A concept that I disagree with.

The Prince was not written for a democracy and the philosphy behind the Prince has no place in such a system of government.
Skyyrder

**Bikernereid** · 17th August 2008, 00:33

Originally Posted by Skyryder

Try the test.

http://bob.bob.bofh.org/~robm/misc/MachIV.html

Skyyrder

I did the bugger didn't evaluate but was interesting to go through.

**Skyryder** · 17th August 2008, 00:36

Originally Posted by Bikern1mpho

I did the bugger didn't evaluate but was interesting to go through.

Did not do it myself as I was going to in the morning but if it don't work not much point.

Skyryder

**Sanx** · 17th August 2008, 03:38

It's not about only allowing the rich and powerful a vote; it's about only allowing votes to people who contribute to society. NZ, like most western countries, already practices extremely selective denial of voting privilege. Prisoners cannot vote.

Why not extend that to the terminally unemployed or unemployable? If you don't work (say, for 12 months prior to the election) and you're not on sickness or disability benefit or a pension, you don't get a vote. Simple.

Whilst I don't agree with Robert Taylor's Enoch Powell references (the bloke was a racist fucker who hasn't been posthumously been proven right. His predictions of inter-race wars resulting in rivers of blood did not some true. Whilst there are racial problems in the UK, don't forget Powell's targets were West Indians, not Indian sub-continent Muslims) there certainly is abuse of the refugee system in NZ, not helped by courts who allow convicted criminals to stay after release from jail just because sending them home might upset their parents.

And I have some knowledge of what I speak; my wife arrived in NZ (as a minor) with her family after her father was taken into Aden prison in Tehran for daring to criticise the authorities. Only massive bribes to a corrupt guard managed to get him out. My wife is now a qualified translator / interpreter who has done work for both the Department of Immigration and the Refugee Status Appeals Authority. Almost without exception, every Iranian she's translated for (theoretically, she's independent, but you know what I mean) has been lying. Luckily, it's been fairly obvious to the authorities that they have been.

But the blame for some immigrants having no respect for New Zealand's laws and customs can be laid squarely at the blame of Labour and their lefty politically-correct cohorts. The PC-brigade insist that everyone else's culture should be respected and honoured. The PC-brigade insist that we, NZers, should change the way we behave so as not offend immigrants. It is the PC-brigade who pander to the desires of immigrants instead of, quite reasonably, insisting that recent immigrants live up to the very old adage "When in Rome, do as the Romans do."

Oddly, you'll often find more liberal immigrants fully support the belief that it is their responsibility to fit in with the customs and laws of the host country, not the other way round. My wife is one of the most scathing opponents of the bludging nature of some immigrants - but then she and her family have worked their arses off since almost the day they arrived. When they landed in NZ, they had a small rucksack each containing their belongings and a couple of hundred US dollars. They received emergency assistance for less than four weeks and since then, have no claimed a cent off the state in benefits. They deserve their NZ citizenship and refuge in NZ, as do many other immigrants and refugees. But the ones we hear about are the ones that are not deserving, and they tend to give the rest a bad name.