Get ready to hit your kids...

[Ocean1]

Your point is that the alleged family violence is entered into a POL400 and therefore there is a record of the parent/s. Yes, agreed. However it is only going to have an impact if also referred to CYPFS.

All government institutions are required by law to report any evidence of child abuse to CYPFS. Some interpret that as meaning any suspicion of abuse. The parents are not informed of any such report, in some cases even while CYPFS is actively attempting to remove the kids from the property.

To paraphrase Jim, "Did you not notice when large bits of your civil rights were removed?"

[Winston001]

All government institutions are required by law to report any evidence of child abuse to CYPFS. Some interpret that as meaning any suspicion of abuse. The parents are not informed of any such report, in some cases even while CYPFS is actively attempting to remove the kids from the property.

To paraphrase Jim, "Did you not notice when large bits of your civil rights were removed?"

Who watches the watchers eh.

Fair enough. I tend to think protecting children fits in with our civil obligations, you know, the other side of the rights coin.

[Ocean1]

Who watches the watchers eh.

Fair enough. I tend to think protecting children fits in with our civil obligations, you know, the other side of the rights coin.

Dude, there are few devices more capable of causing widespread harm and injustice than a bunch of self righteous bigots acting under the auspices of a government entity not able to be held responsible for their actions. Have you no history to your name?

Further; how many parents have declined to seek professional help for their damaged kids for fear of exactly such a response?

[James Deuce]

You actually have to be on top of your game when you engage any sort of social service in regard to children. You also have to be strong enough to tell them "no", to be able to quote their own regulations back at them, and be "hard" enough to do your own research in regard to whatever "condition" your child either suffers from for real, or is "alleged" to suffer from.

Luckily there are no experts left in NZ so you can create a great deal of self-doubt in whichever self-appointed expert leeches on to you, simply by communicating with centres of learning from around the world through that Internet thing. It's quite satisfying to see a "Government Expert" broaden their mind a little and develop a collegiate approach to learning. Takes years but. In the meantime you're getting nothing from the "system". Except grief.

Things to bear in mind when dealing with the "Government Experts".

1. Everybody else knows more about your child than you do.
2. Dieticians believe that processed food is vital to get children eating. The more sugar, the more "E"s the better.
3. Both parents must work. If only one parent works full time then you don't love your children.
4. Daycare is an important part of every newborn baby's development.
5. Boys and Girls are the same and experience developmental progress in exactly the same way. If a 3 year old boy can't hold a pencil and doesn't speak clearly then the Ministry for Social Policy and Special Education Services will be called in. Plans will be made and Education Support Workers organised wihtout your knowledge. You will accept the jusdgement of a Kindy teacher with an IQ smaller than your shoe size.
6. Parents have nothing to contribute to the raising of their children and are to be ignored in any situation where they have been invited to participate in a conference about "problems" with their children.

[MisterD]

You forgot one James:

If you feed your new baby anything but breast milk you are evil.

[MSTRS:Me]

You forgot one James:

If you feed your new baby anything but breast milk you are evil.

Without a valid reason, then yes. Breast is best.
Or don't you like tits?

[Flatcap]

Without a valid reason, then yes. Breast is best.
Or don't you like tits?

Form over function for most blokes

Do you wear adult diapers and nurse?

[MisterD]

Without a valid reason, then yes. Breast is best.
Or don't you like tits?

Officialdome does not accept the existence of valid reasons - I saw friends of ours put through such crap having real problems that they told Plunket to fuck off and not come back.

[Winston001]

Dude, there are few devices more capable of causing widespread harm and injustice than a bunch of self righteous bigots acting under the auspices of a government entity not able to be held responsible for their actions. Have you no history to your name?

When does protection of the vulnerable segue into self-rightous bigotry? Many would say this has already occurred with helmet and seat-belt laws, fluoridation of water, immunisation injections etc etc.

That's why we have people like the Privacy Commissioner and the Ombudsman plus other public watchdogs.

The proof of over-zealous information usage is the number of people who are wrongly victimised eg. had their children removed. Yes, it happens but always for cause. If this action was commonly taken by mistake, the media would be all over it.

Further; how many parents have declined to seek professional help for their damaged kids for fear of exactly such a response?

Pass. I'm sure you are right. No answer really. There is plenty of help available to parents but usually those who need it are inarticulate and fear authority.

[MSTRS:Me]

Form over function for most blokes

Do you wear adult diapers and nurse?

Whether a woman breastfeeds or not, her tits are going to loose their firmness/shape after having a baby.
And, no.

Officialdome does not accept the existence of valid reasons - I saw friends of ours put through such crap having real problems that they told Plunket to fuck off and not come back.

I agree. Over-zealous pushing of an ideal is not the answer. A (first-time) mother needs support and information. Some woman just can't physically produce or deliver milk. A desire to breastfeed isn't always enough. Others have, perhaps, a psychological block.
But all things being equal, still can't improve on nature, though.

[James Deuce]

Pass. I'm sure you are right. No answer really. There is plenty of help available to parents but usually those who need it are inarticulate and fear authority.

Actually help isn't readily available, isn't promoted by health workers and usually provided in a remedial fashion after an easily avoidable crisis. This sometimes involves 24x7 monitoring, removal of children, or an ESW applied to a child without parental permission or ever reviewing problems and helping fix them.

A lot of people just have to rise above whatever issues they bump into and get on with it, because there will be no help. Always remember: "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help you", are literally mutually exclusive concepts.

[James Deuce]

Whether a woman breastfeeds or not, her tits are going to loose their firmness/shape after having a baby.
And, no.



I agree. Over-zealous pushing of an ideal is not the answer. A (first-time) mother needs support and information. Some woman just can't physically produce or deliver milk. A desire to breastfeed isn't always enough. Others have, perhaps, a psychological block.
But all things being equal, still can't improve on nature, though.

There are vastly more reasons than those that affect the mother. The main issue with having children today is that the focus is on the mother, the birthing experience, and breast feeding. The health and capabilities of the child come at about 13th on the list.

There are midwives out there who will insist that a child with a cleft palate and a hare lip can breast feed.

[MSTRS:Me]

Then there are midwives out there (along with other so-called professionals/experts) who should be shot.

[MisterD]

The health and capabilities of the child come at about 13th on the list.

Sad, but true...from our own experience, apparently a hungry baby is preferrable to a bottle-fed baby.

[riffer]

There are midwives out there who will insist that a child with a cleft palate and a hare lip can breast feed.

I had a friend got pregnant at 17 and had a child with a cleft palate and double hare lip. This is a while ago now (about 22 years ago).

This is exactly what they told her. She was a determined young lady and spent hours and hours and hours trying to feed her little fella with a spoon.

Heartbreaking to watch.