Sensing Murder

[slofox]

We do know about EPIC with 500% more hops than most lager style beer, and it is good. What I haven't seen yet is the special version available at the Malthouse with 900% more hops, sounds evil.

It's called "mayhem"....and it is good........ (But it's Pale Ale, not lager...although they do make a lager as well......only 100% more hops (or so)...)

[scumdog]

This program is just escapism for the intellectually challenged

Now ain't THAT the truth!!

The pommie 'psychic' from the earlier shows was in a write-up in some crappy womans magazine, she said she had been threatened by somebody if she went ahead with one of her 'shows'.
But being the brave woman that she is she told the mag "I wasn't going to let anything get in the way of my work solving murders"

SOLVING murder???? How many plurry murder has she 'solved'???

[DMNTD:Me]

The old "we can't prove it isn't so it might be" line.

I guess you have to believe my claim that an invisible mass-less dragon lives under the seat on my Z.

Some decent proof of physic ability would shut up the cynics.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Ummmm....praise Jesus??

[martybabe]

Now ain't THAT the truth!!

The pommie 'psychic' from the earlier shows was in a write-up in some crappy woman's magazine, she said she had been threatened by somebody if she went ahead with one of her 'shows'.
But being the brave woman that she is she told the mag "I wasn't going to let anything get in the way of my world the k solving murders"

SOLVING murder???? How many plurry murder has she 'solved'???

Try and catch it next week Scummy, If you've not got to watch paint dry or anything. The trailer said the psychics are put to task by the police scrutanizing their every whatsit. Be interested in your thoughts on that episode.

[Broomrider]

There seems to be a lot more evidence put forward that verifies what they say... more so than any "proof" that the great sky fairy exists anyway ....


ok got ma hat and coat..."Taxi" !!!

[ManDownUnder]

Yes there was. It just hadn't been noticed/studied/recorded.

*WOOOSSSSHHHHH*

Yes there was. It was wrong, but the folk who thought so didn't just make it up.

*WOOOSSSSHHHHH*

Actually it is now. In fact I am.

(Really. So are you, but I prefer not to think about that.)

Slightly off topics but nice - like it

Oh please.

The old "we can't prove it isn't so it might be" line.

I guess you have to believe my claim that an invisible mass-less dragon lives under the seat on my Z.

No... but if I can't disprove it then I have no grounds to say you are wrong... (refer woosh number's one and two above).

You obviously don't believe in it - that's cool. What YOU believe (or don't believe) isn't the truth just because you believe it (you're important sure - but not THAT important)

Greameboy believe in God - does that mean God therefore exists? So be definition of his faith I expect he does NOT believe in evolution. To follow your logic - what you believe is therefore true, we end up with a nonsensical situation of nothing existing because any one faction that does NOT believe it exists (because they can't imagine it - or are simply not willing to).

I'm not saying you have to believe in psychics... I am saying you can't just dismiss what you don't think it true in the absence of evidence.

[Clockwork]

The problem from my POV is that these mediums say so much, yet never anything that can be nailed down. It just shouldn't be that hard to provide incontrovertable proof!

[skidMark]

I have met the blonde psychic dude in mission bay, was drooling all over his busa....

Talked shit for a few minutes...

It was a real shiny busa...

As you were.

[pzkpfw]

No... but if I can't disprove it then I have no grounds to say you are wrong... (refer woosh number's one and two above).

You obviously don't believe in it - that's cool. What YOU believe (or don't believe) isn't the truth just because you believe it (you're important sure - but not THAT important)

Greameboy believe in God - does that mean God therefore exists? So be definition of his faith I expect he does NOT believe in evolution.

Most that is basically a quibble about the difference between what a person believes is true (subjective) and what is somehow "really" true (objective).

That's not really the issue here.

To follow your logic - what you believe is therefore true, ...

That's not the issue either; but yes, generally what I believe, I believe to be true. So I say it as such. That's pretty normal.

If you like, when anybody ever gives you their opinion you can imagine them adding "...but I may be wrong."

...we end up with a nonsensical situation of nothing existing because any one faction that does NOT believe it exists (because they can't imagine it - or are simply not willing to).

Is the reverse better? Everything exists because at least one person was able to imagine it?

What has actual existance got to do with it anyway? Are we in the matrix or a dream?

It seems you think people should accept that some nonesense is "might be" true, because they can't prove it isn't? That is the nonsensical situation.

The inability to prove a negative makes it nonsense to accept things "just in case" they might be true, because it can't be proven they are not.

I'm not saying you have to believe in psychics... I am saying you can't just dismiss what you don't think it true in the absence of evidence.

Yes I can dismiss it.

If you said "I have a cup of coffee on my desk" I would probably believe it. It might not be true, and I could turn out to be wrong in my belief, but desks and coffee are normal things that are likely to be within your reach.

If you said "I am levitating while I type this, so I don't need a chair" I would not believe it, because levitation is unproven.

Going around not dismissing all the wild stuff "just in case" is the nonsense.


If one of these TV psychics actually solved a murder, that'd be nice.

[ManDownUnder]

It seems you think people should accept that some nonesense is "might be" true, because they can't prove it isn't? That is the nonsensical situation.

a ha - for me this is the nub of the question. Why is that a nonsense?

If you can't prove something isn't true, how can you ever know it's nonsense? There's a diamond weighing over 24 kilo yet to be dug up in South Africa...

Are you able to say I'm wrong? It is nonsense?

[pzkpfw]

a ha - for me this is the nub of the question. Why is that a nonsense?

If you can't prove something isn't true, how can you ever know it's nonsense? There's a diamond weighing over 24 kilo yet to be dug up in South Africa...

Are you able to say I'm wrong? It is nonsense?

Do you actually read my posts or just respond to bits of them?

I'd class that diamond as within the realms of possibility, until I get more information from a geologist (maybe a 24kg diamond is considered impossible to form naturally, I don't know).

If you said you knew it was there because a psychic once told you you'd find it - now that I'd class as nonsense.

[Geologists are real, psychics are not.]

You still basically want to say anything should be treated as possible.

I am not saying everything should be treated as impossible.

[ManDownUnder]

Do you actually read my posts or just respond to bits of them?

Both (they're not mutually exclusive... worth keeping in mind for the topic at hand)

I'd class that diamond as within the realms of possibility, until I get more information from a geologist (maybe a 24kg diamond is considered impossible to form naturally, I don't know).

You don't know??? Cool! Is it possible you also don't know if psychic phenomina are real or not?

Or do you know they are not real because they are "nonsense". And how did you arrive at "nonsense" anyway?

If you said you knew it was there because a psychic once told you you'd find it - now that I'd class as nonsense.

[Geologists are real, psychics are not.]

Ok - see that's nonsense. Of course psychics are real. You can see them, touch them (within reason of course). What they do is open to interpretion for sure...

You still basically want to say anything should be treated as possible.

Yes, unless proven or disproven - at which point it changes from possible to definite.

I am not saying everything should be treated as impossible.

Agreed!

[pzkpfw]

You don't know??? Cool! Is it possible you also don't know if psychic phenomina are real or not?

Or do you know they are not real because they are "nonsense". And how did you arrive at "nonsense" anyway?

Psychics can be treated as nonsense because psychic ability is yet to be proven and is too far from what is actually observed to be "real".

Not knowing something is not a reason to believe it is real.

Once again, the point is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I'd believe you if you said you had a cup of coffee. I don't know if you have a cup of coffee; but it would be possible to prove, and I have seen cups of coffee.

I'd not believe you if you said you had a pink unicorn, for what should be obvious reasons, unless you are sticking to the "I can't prove you don't so I have to accept you might" line. No way.

You don't know??? Cool! Is it possible you also don't know if psychic phenomina are real or not?

You can't use that as a basis for anything, otherwise any number of wild and wacky ideas could be proposed - like my under-seat-dragon.

Ok - see that's nonsense. Of course psychics are real.

Silly nit-pick, my meaning was clear.

Yes, unless proven or disproven - at which point it changes from possible to definite.

So we are back to your implication that absolutely anything is possible, no matter how far-fetched.

No way.

Unless you think my under-seat-dragon is possible.

Agreed!

What about my claim (just above the bit you agreed with) of what you think? Do you agree or disagree?

[ManDownUnder]

Psychics can be treated as nonsense because psychic ability is yet to be proven and is too far from what is actually observed to be "real".

Can water run uphill - how's that for a question to be examined? Would you class that as nonsense and dimiss it outright?

Just because water runs downhill - does that mean it can't run uphill? (or against the force of gravity in case you're wondering how I'm putting a spin on this...)

You can't use that as a basis for anything, otherwise any number of wild and wacky ideas could be proposed - like my under-seat-dragon.

Yes - wildy and wacky ideas can and should be proposed... examined... tested and learned from accordingly. See my question above re water running uphill - what is the problem with that?

So we are back to your implication that absolutely anything is possible, no matter how far-fetched.

No way.

Unless you think my under-seat-dragon is possible.

What about my claim (just above the bit you agreed with) of what you think? Do you agree or disagree?

Disagree - you're reading too much into what I'm saying and trying to make it absolute. My position is simple - when presented with evidence of a phenominon of whatever form, one is foolish to dismiss it in the ansence of compelling evidence to the contrary. If there is uncertainty we should be satisfied to say there is uncertainty rather than take a position either for or against anything proposed that attempts to explain that phenominon.

I.e. - we should keep an open mind.

Or to put it another way - using the scientific method - prove to me there is no such thing as psychic ability. Free reign - go for gold. Until you can do that, I reserve the right to say I'm not sure. I also think that if you are sure, you need to be able to demonstrate that, and also be flexible enough to admit when you're not able to do so, or are actually uncertain of something.

[pzkpfw]

we should keep an open mind.

If your mind is too open, your brain will fall out.