Yes and no dude.
Mothers also reflect the head space of the baby.
And the lack of a support group takes its toll too.
on the up
Yes and no dude.
Mothers also reflect the head space of the baby.
And the lack of a support group takes its toll too.
And I to my motorcycle parked like the soul of the junkyard. Restored, a bicycle fleshed with power, and tore off. Up Highway 106 continually drunk on the wind in my mouth. Wringing the handlebar for speed, wild to be wreckage forever.
- James Dickey, Cherrylog Road.
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Short attention span tonight and I'm cooking steak and mushrooms so I'll be brief...
PUBLIC SERVICE - not very sexy but family friendly they are! I have an effing awesome employer who have been very very supportive as we have had some ups and downs ever since I started working there and though I worked my arse off and did a good job of proving myself they really have bent over backwards to keep me happy and for me that meant much better work life balance. I now do four day weeks (for the same money) and have the option to work from home regularly which comes in especially handy when the wee monster is sick and curled up on the couch asleep or watching Bob the builder...I just fit my online time around his sleeps and 'leave me alone' moments.
My last employer very large 'private sector' employer could've easily allowed it but didn't - they were ARSEHOLES TO WORK FOR!!! Aside from their maternity policy and ex gratia payment they were NOT family friendly at all.
e mare libertas
I suspect that anyone in their right mind knows that a mother with a baby 'working from home' will be about the least productive individual imaginable. No wonder they don't want to pay for it.
Not meaning to give you a hard time, judecatmad, just saying it like it is. Perhaps you could look into negotiating subsidised childcare funding as a part of your remuneration package?
A bit of time around adults with a professional looking after bubs should do wonders for your headspace, too. Humans just aren't made, physically or mentally, to look after babies on their own, and Western society with its acceptance and prevalence of single-mother situations completely fails to recognise that fact.
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
e mare libertas
Aside from their maternity policy and ex gratia payment, eh?Originally Posted by Number One
You seem to think that this privately-owned corporation should contract with you to provide services to it, and then happily take a hit to its own profitability if you subsequently decide to breed and reduce your working availability.
Are you a shareholder of that company?
No?
Then what on earth do you expect from it beyond fair payment for services you are able to render? If you compromise your own ability to work, why should they give you charity?
You appear to be confusing for-profit companies with WINZ.
I'll help y'out. For free money once you get knocked up, click this link. This link is only useful if you can offer equivalent value in return for the money.
Public-sector organisations under a socialist government are, of course, a different matter entirely. And, yes indeed, I'd encourage any women planning on breeding to get a job in one of Auntie Helen's outfits.
Although it's probably more a matter of inefficiency rather than political philosophy; if one wants to be paid a respectable salary for very little work, Gubmint departments anywhere in the world are probably a great bet.
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
Blowin up bikes since ages ago
Welcome to reality.
Stop being a tosser Mr Random......
"Some people are like clouds, once they fuck off, it's a great day!"
Hardcore Biker
It is against the law for employers to allow people to miss or give up their rights to their scheduled breaks. We can be prosecuted by the labour department for that.
You are entitled to a break every 2.5 hours which can be stretched to every 3 hours by mutual agreement.
Flexi time is an option that i take with my staff.
Not ALL NZ employers are crap.
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And there are plenty of NZ employers who would like more flexible hours for themselves and some time off even.... But I agree there are lots of wonderful employers out there as well as the flip side of the coin. The same goes for employees, human nature.
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You got that right in one. Lets take it a stage further when we consider the example of our very well remunerated All Blacks ( not your average employees ) They should only be paid a small retainer and the rest should be performance related. That alone would fill in a few of the troughs given their roller coaster form over the last couple of years.Aside from their maternity policy and ex gratia payment, eh?
You seem to think that this privately-owned corporation should contract with you to provide services to it, and then happily take a hit to its own profitability if you subsequently decide to breed and reduce your working availability.
Are you a shareholder of that company?
No?
Then what on earth do you expect from it beyond fair payment for services you are able to render? If you compromise your own ability to work, why should they give you charity?
You appear to be confusing for-profit companies with WINZ.
I'll help y'out. For free money once you get knocked up, click this link. This link is only useful if you can offer equivalent value in return for the money.
Public-sector organisations under a socialist government are, of course, a different matter entirely. And, yes indeed, I'd encourage any women planning on breeding to get a job in one of Auntie Helen's outfits.
Although it's probably more a matter of inefficiency rather than political philosophy; if one wants to be paid a respectable salary for very little work, Gubmint departments anywhere in the world are probably a great bet.
e mare libertas
Not being a tosser. Some of us just tend to see the situation from the other side, is all.
Why don't you tell me why a company trying to make a profit on the investments put into it should be employing people who don't return what it considers value for money?
How any company spends its money is that company's directors' decision to make. And if they start handing it over to women with babies when that isn't the best way for them to do business, the shareholders would be right to give them the boot.
Life's hard, and any single parent has my sympathy.
But any parent who takes out their frustrations on other people who are just trying to employ workers who will help their business rather than be a drag on the operation is being a little bit pathetic.
If having a baby will stop you from being able to support yourself, then use contraception. It's not that complicated. If an accident occurs, abortion and adoption are both easily arranged in New Zealand. And if you refuse to use those options, don't whinge about the load you've chosen to take upon yourself.
I've supported two kids and their sick mother for years on a single income. It was fucking hard, but I never expected anyone to treat me differently because I was in a tougher situation than the footloose and fancy free single guys competing with me for work.
Funnily enough, the trick to dealing with that situation was always to just HTFU, be better than the competition, and offer people value they were willing to pay for.
I commend the same attitude to you.
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
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God you are presumptiousI seem to think..how the fuck would you know what I think? You read a bunch of statements without having any awareness of the context then draw your own 'very clever' conclusions then try to get people into an online 'battle'
...I've said it before and I'll say it again..I really can't be arsed. My response was to Judecatmad NOT Jrandom.
BTW - HEAPS of employers offer a maternity policy and ex gratia payment. My MALE friend who is going to take time off when his wife has a baby (and then stays at home to raise the child) is going to get one when he returns...private sector employee too and NO he ain't a shareholder either
You don't know me AND I don't actually live to please you with my comments, opinions or attitudes ...that might shock you...as I see you 'seem' to fancy yourself as KB's moral compass...but well, as I remember you saying to someone else relatively recently...you just keep making the world a better place to live in sweetheart
e mare libertas
Heh! That skin of yours must be pretty baggy if I can fit under it.
Anyway, all 'waaaaa (tm)' aside, I take it that you have no rebuttal to offer to my fundamental point that you can't expect to be paid for value you don't provide?
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
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Pity WINZ dont have the same attitude....
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
e mare libertas
Well, it wouldn't be too hard to introduce.
National's "work or study for the DPB once your kids are all over 6" policy announced a while back struck me as a sensible and positive step.
My ex-wife (who I mentioned earlier) is, now that I'm out of her day-to-day picture, finally getting her shit together and studying full-time. It's doing her a world of good.
A bit of 'official encouragement' along the same lines would probably help a lot of women out of negative ruts in their lives.
A crackdown on the utterly ridiculous ailments that 'sickness beneficiaries' use to escape the supervision of being on a true unemployment benefit wouldn't hurt either, but, of course, National would never have the gumption to go to an election with a policy like that.
I suppose we could always just vote for Rodders, cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of rampant capitalism...
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
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Ever heard of institutional knowledge? Ever seen the bill for how much it actually costs companies to loose staff and then have to replace them and train them up again...(I'm in HR so I do know)...it is well worth working to attract your pregnant females back to work after they drop their loads - especially valued employees and even more so if they are in management positions.
You wanna know what I'm really thinking? I see absolutely no point in 'debating' with you AND I find it sad how you seem to need to make your 'fundamental points' by highlighting the seemingly flawed logic in others thinking all the time...and you always have to do it in such a turgid fashion ...have a beer and lighten up already.
As for being under my skinNow THAT is very very presumptious indeed
e mare libertas
Yes, I surely have. And all hiring and firing decisions must naturally be made keeping such things in mind. But it doesn't sound to me like any realistic commercial evaluation's been going on here...
Ahhhh, you're an HR Lady.
That explains a lot.
Ever had a real job?
The two paragraphs at the end of your post, there, which have nothing to do with the subject at hand and everything to do with you being defensive toward me, indicate that you might be a leeeeetle bothered.
But it's OK. You're a girl. One expects such things. You're allowed. Hormones, smaller brain, etc. Let us know if you need the ol' smelling salts.
kiwibiker is full of love, an disrespect.
- mikey
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