Millie Elder in court on P supply charges

[fire eyes]

Naw, feed her to the mothers of some high school P users

We want her to see the light imdying! not succumb to a torturess merciless death. dont we?

[imdying]

We want her to see the light imdying! not succumb to a torturess merciless death. dont we?

I don't know... do we? There's a lot to be said for redemption, sure, but she's not just smoking a bit of waccy baccy in her own home doing nobody any harm.

[fire eyes]

I don't know... do we? There's a lot to be said for redemption, sure, but she's not just smoking a bit of waccy baccy in her own home doing nobody any harm.

true that imdying .. true that.

[98tls]

Give her 12 months in a cell with Mama Bubba.Feel for her old man really,if she were my kid it would be "thats it fuck off and grow up" with a kick up the arse as she went,time for some tough love.

[Headbanger]

Hey,Can we not just give the sexy bitches a break?

If she needs space from all you haters she can come stay down my way, I'll even chain her up so she doesn't touch the P.

[HenryDorsetCase]

So here we have a pretty, rich white girl selling P.

IMHO - she's no better than the scum making the shit.

I believe that we need to get HARD AS FUCK on people like this - start punishing the sellers, REALLY HARD so that people are scared as fuck to sell it.

Try and dry up the market - make people so scared to be caught with it that they are not willing to take the chance. Less sellers on the streets and in our neighbourhoods = less drugs (my overly simplified view Im sure - but hey its an idea)

So - What do you all believe is an appropriate sentence for sellers of "P" - and do you think this girl will get it - because "Daddy has money"

except that the "war on drugs" and "getting tough" demonstrably have failed utterly.

My view is that there shouldnt be "legal" or "illegal" drugs. If you've got the money to sustain a drug habit, spend it. Of course if you steal or whatever to feed it then that behaviour can be dealt with. But look at the states: get pinched in Alabama with three joints and go to jail for life: tell me how that is fair or reasonble. Plus it demonstrably does nothing to curb the trade.

[HenryDorsetCase]

If she is selling, she is using. Shes on the downward spiral. She will be 25, look 50, toothless, homeless and giving blowjobs in back alleys before the year is out.

She has chosen a hard road for herself.

[Headbanger]

Funny that, Out of all the P users I have known ( I keep my distance) only 2 or 3 are showing any (visible) signs of heavy use, and they are all still employed and functioning, Though noticeably stupider.

None of them have cut anyone's hands off yet, and the few that are capable of breaking and entering would have done so before the P.

[Forest]

Funny that, Out of all the P users I have known ( I keep my distance) only 2 or 3 are showing any (visible) signs of heavy use, and they are all still employed and functioning, Though noticeably stupider.

None of them have cut anyone's hands off yet, and the few that are capable of breaking and entering would have done so before the P.

Sounds like they have yet to run out of money to sustain their habits.

From what I've seen, that's when the shit starts to hit the fan.

[Indoo]

If she is selling, she is using. Shes on the downward spiral. She will be 25, look 50, toothless, homeless and giving blowjobs in back alleys before the year is out.

She has chosen a hard road for herself.

But how can it be dealt with if the only reason your committing crime is because your hopelessly addicted to an extremely addictive and harmful - yet legal and readily available drug?

The only way to address that offending is to take away what causes it. Get serious about it, anyone who commits any P related offending should be on probation for a couple of years including weekly drug tests. Any traces of P found in their system within that period would result in an instant recall to prison. But to do that you have to make the prisons squeaky clean, otherwise its just a farce.

[mazz1972]

On the Edge radio station this morning they took a call from a girl who was a recovering P user.

She had moved to Auckland and they asked why she took it the first time, and she said because someone offered it to her and she really didn't know what could happen, but she agreed you take it once and basically you are hooked. She remembers staying awake for up to ten days and not eating, the P kept her going, and once slept for three days. She kept working the whole time, and even though she thought her work colleagues knew she was on P, it didn't seem to cause any work problems for her. Think she said she took it for 2 years. Made the decision herself that enough was enough and called her family for help. She said the only way you can break the cycle is to start a new life, completely break away from everyone and everything associated with that life. She moved back to Chch and got help from some of the drug agencies. She's done really well and been P free for a year. Quite an amazing phone call to listen to.

Seems Millie has not made much effort to change her life and who she associates with. Ultimately she has to make the mental decision to get off P and be committed to it, and obviously she has not reached that point yet. The previous arrests and rehab obviously did not give enough of a wake up call. Wonder what will though....

[avgas]

ok i volunteer - i will be the one to punish her

[RantyDave]

Sadly, because people who are pretty, rich and white often get away with more than people who are not white, ugly as fuck, and dont have the money for top lawyers.

"You must spread some reputation around..." - it's not my fault that Tank's the only one talking sense these days.

So, what is the going rate for possession with intent to supply? She must be looking at a year, at least. Plus the record - try working overseas with *that* on your passport.

Dave

[imdying]

Though noticeably stupider.

I don't personally know any users (at least none that I'm aware of hahahaha), but I'm keen to hear your thoughts... How do they appear noticeably stupider? Stupid decisions? Can't do math? One track minds?

[R6_kid:Me]

How do they appear noticeably stupider? Stupid decisions? Can't do math? One track minds?

That would lead me to believe that most people I work with are on P...