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    Quote Originally Posted by Tank View Post
    So here we have a pretty, rich white girl selling P.

    I believe that we need to get HARD AS FUCK on people like this - start punishing the sellers, REALLY HARD so that people are scared as fuck to sell it.
    And here's where my Stewart Island draft proposal comes into play.

    Convert Stewart Island into a convict colony. Any crime above petty status is punished by time on Stewart Island. And I mean serious time. Not 3 months.
    White Collar criminals, P manufacturers, Gang members, and SUV drivers will all be sentenced to the same place. By the time their time is up, they'll be glad of civilization's comforts. Or dead.

    Not convinced? Britain did it with Aussie. And became a super power.

    Clearly this is the way forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3L4NS1R View Post
    Convert Stewart Island into a convict colony. Any crime above petty status is punished by time on Stewart Island.....
    Fuck off, where will I go fishing and boozin'?
    60% of the time, it works everytime

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellnback View Post
    Fuck off, where will I go fishing and boozin'?
    on your boat! and hey... left to their own devices, I'm sure there will be plenty of moonshine around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3L4NS1R View Post
    And here's where my Stewart Island draft proposal comes into play.

    Convert Stewart Island into a convict colony. Any crime above petty status is punished by time on Stewart Island. And I mean serious time. Not 3 months.
    White Collar criminals, P manufacturers, Gang members, and SUV drivers will all be sentenced to the same place. By the time their time is up, they'll be glad of civilization's comforts. Or dead.

    Not convinced? Britain did it with Aussie. And became a super power.

    Clearly this is the way forward.
    They did it in the States too: not Alcatraz: you know the one where the President got shot down there: Uh, New York? Yeah, I saw the documentary they made about it, I remember: it was caled "Escape from New York"
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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase View Post
    But look at the states: get pinched in Alabama with three joints and go to jail for life: tell me how that is fair or reasonble. Plus it demonstrably does nothing to curb the trade.
    I couldnt argue that life for 3 joints is either fair or reasonable.

    But I could argue that anyone stupid enough to risk life in prison by carrying 3 joint knowing the penalties has to have a unhealthy obsession to the drug and is probably to stupid to be a member of society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase View Post
    except that the "war on drugs" and "getting tough" demonstrably have failed utterly.

    My view is that there shouldnt be "legal" or "illegal" drugs. If you've got the money to sustain a drug habit, spend it. Of course if you steal or whatever to feed it then that behaviour can be dealt with. But look at the states: get pinched in Alabama with three joints and go to jail for life: tell me how that is fair or reasonable. Plus it demonstrably does nothing to curb the trade.
    Finally some sense.!

    I fear for the future of New Zealand if the people posting on KB are representative of the general population.
    Where are clearly doomed if we can't learn from our mistakes let alone the mistakes of others.
    Tougher laws equals bigger drug problems.
    If more of the drugs that appeal to reckless users were available then the P trade may well disappear. It flourishes because customs and the Police are so effective at preventing access to preferred, and preferential drugs.
    Making them legal, accessible and affordable has been demonstrated to have a beneficial effect to all. Less crime, fewer people in gaol, fewer addicts, fewer drug related deaths. It ain't rocket science.
    It's like those turkeys in the States that concocted and introduced the pledge rings . Their young people pledging to abstain from sex until they were married and wearing a ring to signify such. No sex education at school or home etc.
    Result...their town achieved the highest rate of illegitimate births in the US and STD's were rife.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tank View Post
    So here we have a pretty, rich white girl selling P.

    IMHO - she's no better than the scum making the shit.

    I believe that we need to get HARD AS FUCK on people like this - start punishing the sellers, REALLY HARD so that people are scared as fuck to sell it.

    Try and dry up the market - make people so scared to be caught with it that they are not willing to take the chance. Less sellers on the streets and in our neighbourhoods = less drugs (my overly simplified view Im sure - but hey its an idea)

    So - What do you all believe is an appropriate sentence for sellers of "P" - and do you think this girl will get it - because "Daddy has money"
    For a start they should be sterilising these type of people so the taxpayer does not have to look after sick messed up crack babies, nor those same children have to grow up in the environment that is likely to repeat the cycle of drug use. The justice system needs to give harsher penalties for doing this sort of crime. If you have a house and car then you should loose it as well as being put in goal for a good time along with Muma Bubba or Big Bob Bubba for regular loving company. The only way to stop people from doing it is to dish out effective penalties to stop them and others from doing it again and I think the above mentioned could go along way to achieving that goal.

    Ive been told that I could greatly benefit from the use of medicinal cannabis. Which is the swallowing of a pill containing THC, the active ingrediant in cannabis. But because of the bullshit behaviour that goes on and the cry to legalise it completely from the stoners who want to smoke it, I have to take medicines that are harmfull to my liver etc, even though there is a better option thats currently illegal.
    Those who insist on perfect safety, don't have the balls to live in the real world.

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    Jumped up little slappa, agree with the abuse she has been copping.

    As for punishment, a good 5 stretch is not long enough I reckon. She should be sentenced to wearing a pair of my riding pants over her face for a week, she will soon learn not to inhale then.

    Daddy's been very quiet, mind you I'm happy about that because the sound of his voice gives me the screaming ghandi's at the best of times.

    Serious though, imdying has the best idea, stick her in a room with some P user mums and see what happens....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3L4NS1R View Post
    And here's where my Stewart Island draft proposal comes into play.

    Britain did it with Aussie. And became a super power.

    Clearly this is the way forward.
    Stewart Island to become a super power????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by inlinefour View Post
    For a start they should be sterilising these type of people so the taxpayer does not have to look after sick messed up crack babies, .
    Don't you think your sig. is a little hypocritical?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hinny View Post
    Don't you think your sig. is a little hypocritical?
    It all depends on what context its put into and as you dont know, then you would have no idea. Please explain how my sig has any relevance on any of what I have said or are you just a pro druggie clutching at straws? I dont know, so thats why Ive asked. Just for the record, I used to work in the secure locked up side of the inpatient psychiatric ward. I got to see the ugly side of drug use along with or without mental illness. If anyone thinks that P use is OK is just is plain ignorant. Along with that there is the physical health consequences along with psychological and psychiatrict. Then there is the family and socio-economic consequences to be considered. Any way you look at it, its a shyte substance, made by shyte people, turning others into shyte people. So why would we want them to breed?
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    Here is an article from the Los Angeles Times. It has a very good argument for why drug prohibition doesn't work. PLEASE, before you respond, read the article.

    This is the U.S. on drugs
    Only cops and crooks have benefited from $2.5 trillion spent fighting trafficking.
    By David W. Fleming and James P. Gray
    July 5, 2008

    The United States' so-called war on drugs brings to mind the old saying that if you find yourself trapped in a deep hole, stop digging. Yet, last week, the Senate approved an aid package to combat drug trafficking in Mexico and Central America, with a record $400 million going to Mexico and $65 million to Central America.

    The United States has been spending $69 billion a year worldwide for the last 40 years, for a total of $2.5 trillion, on drug prohibition -- with little to show for it. Is anyone actually benefiting from this war? Six groups come to mind.

    The first group are the drug lords in nations such as Colombia, Afghanistan and Mexico, as well as those in the United States. They are making billions of dollars every year -- tax free.

    The second group are the street gangs that infest many of our cities and neighborhoods, whose main source of income is the sale of illegal drugs.


    Third are those people in government who are paid well to fight the first two groups. Their powers and bureaucratic fiefdoms grow larger with each tax dollar spent to fund this massive program that has been proved not to work.

    Fourth are the politicians who get elected and reelected by talking tough -- not smart, just tough -- about drugs and crime. But the tougher we get in prosecuting nonviolent drug crimes, the softer we get in the prosecution of everything else because of the limited resources to fund the criminal justice system.

    The fifth group are people who make money from increased crime. They include those who build prisons and those who staff them. The prison guards union is one of the strongest lobbying groups in California today, and its ranks continue to grow.

    And last are the terrorist groups worldwide that are principally financed by the sale of illegal drugs.

    Who are the losers in this war? Literally everyone else, especially our children.

    Today, there are more drugs on our streets at cheaper prices than ever before. There are more than 1.2 million people behind bars in the U.S., and a large percentage of them for nonviolent drug usage. Under our failed drug policy, it is easier for young people to obtain illegal drugs than a six-pack of beer. Why? Because the sellers of illegal drugs don't ask kids for IDs. As soon as we outlaw a substance, we abandon our ability to regulate and control the marketing of that substance.

    After we came to our senses and repealed alcohol prohibition, homicides dropped by 60% and continued to decline until World War II. Today's murder rates would likely again plummet if we ended drug prohibition.

    So what is the answer? Start by removing criminal penalties for marijuana, just as we did for alcohol. If we were to do this, according to state budget figures, California alone would save more than $1 billion annually, which we now spend in a futile effort to eradicate marijuana use and to jail nonviolent users. Is it any wonder that marijuana has become the largest cash crop in California?

    We could generate billions of dollars by taxing the stuff, just as we do with tobacco and alcohol.

    We should also reclassify most Schedule I drugs (drugs that the federal government alleges have no medicinal value, including marijuana and heroin) as Schedule II drugs (which require a prescription), with the government regulating their production, overseeing their potency, controlling their distribution and allowing licensed professionals (physicians, psychiatrists, psychologists, etc.) to prescribe them. This course of action would acknowledge that medical issues, such as drug addiction, are best left under the supervision of medical doctors instead of police officers.

    The mission of the criminal justice system should always be to protect us from one another and not from ourselves. That means that drug users who drive a motor vehicle or commit other crimes while under the influence of these drugs would continue to be held criminally responsible for their actions, with strict penalties. But that said, the system should not be used to protect us from ourselves.

    Ending drug prohibition, taxing and regulating drugs and spending tax dollars to treat addiction and dependency are the approaches that many of the world's industrialized countries are taking. Those approaches are ones that work.

    David W. Fleming, a lawyer, is the chairman of the Los Angeles County Business Federation and immediate past chairman of the Los Angeles Area Chamber of Commerce. James P. Gray is a judge of the Orange County Superior Court.
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    The punitive actions you were advocating are typically concocted to alter social behaviour. Dreamed up within the sin/punishment type of control exhibited by, for example, the Catholic Church. Methods of control designed to curb the actions of people that are outside of their social mores. Make life safer for those they control. Any person who dares to step outside their prescribed parameters of acceptable social behaviour are subjected to the pain side of the pain/pleasure dichotomy. Their willing victims are reminded that they are not free to do whatever they want. The must be protected from themselves. This is also the way our Justice system works.
    Unfortunately, like the hypocritical turkeys that infest the Catholic Church, those that determine the parameters of acceptable social behaviour within the general population are not infallible.
    To look at the history of prohibition of drugs one can see the parallel to the prohibition of alcohol. It is a policy that does not work. It is sold as a means of control of the scourge of drugs, as a protective measure for current and future citizens. Since the reality is that prohibition has the exact opposite effect of that which it is trying to attain indicates that those who have the right and ability to govern what is acceptable personal behaviour obviously have different agendas. It certainly finances a lot of wars around the world.
    If, for example, NZ was to follow the example of those countries that have tried liberalisation of the drug laws then there is no reason to suspect that we would not experience the same benefits to society that they have.
    Britain's experience with legalisation of Heroin led to fewer addicts, lower property crime and death rates.
    The available evidence would suggest that we would not have a P problem if for example Heroin and Cocaine were more widely available and reasonably priced.
    Controlled supply of known strength and safe drugs is certainly, in my opinion, far more preferable to the situation that exists when controlled by criminals.
    The War on Drugs is a waste of time and money. Society as a whole suffers and it would appear the only people who like the current situation are those that profit from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tank View Post
    So here we have a pretty, rich white girl selling P.

    IMHO - she's no better than the scum making the shit.

    I believe that we need to get HARD AS FUCK on people like this - start punishing the sellers, REALLY HARD so that people are scared as fuck to sell it.

    Try and dry up the market - make people so scared to be caught with it that they are not willing to take the chance. Less sellers on the streets and in our neighbourhoods = less drugs (my overly simplified view Im sure - but hey its an idea)

    So - What do you all believe is an appropriate sentence for sellers of "P" - and do you think this girl will get it - because "Daddy has money"
    i disagree...
    the war on drugs aint working, and has never worked, end it.
    the harder you get on it, the more money will be wasted on trying to police it.
    get hard on E, Cannabis, meth, Acid, etc...and it will flourish cause you drive the price/profit up

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    Hahahaha silly little girl should of gone to jail the first time, serves her right for being a bloody junkie.

    Who care that Paul Holmes is her dad at the end of the day she is just another crim.

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