Incompetence by NZ police re: death of officer.

[shafty]

Not Many because once you lock up a few then they would get the idea, and if that dont work make it 40 years, if that dont work start hanging them, they would soon get the idea, whats the alternative, continue down the PC low impact solutions that arent working today?
Harsh penalties is whats needed, example, whats the Drug problem like in Singapore these days???

Spot on Quasi; I personally believe we should "contract " out our prison services to somewhere like Singapore......

[sAsLEX]

The bullet proof vests are massive, bulky, obviously "Police" equipment - pointless for a covert operation. Unlike the ones you see in the movies, and are available - but not to the NZ Police it seems......

Yet we always seem to have enough money to pour into the enlarging black hole that is social welfare?

Weird isn't it?

Thanks Labour.


edit: oh look they are a whooping 600 bucks US http://www.anti-ballistic.com/shop/i...roducts_id=153

[Mr Merde]

A covert vest... not the same as the blue ones you see on the uniforms..., still might not have made much of a difference. They are stab proof vests, not bullet proof, but do have some bullet proofing capability.

Unsure where the wounded one was shot. The other was shot in the chest / heart region.

The bullet proof vests are massive, bulky, obviously "Police" equipment - pointless for a covert operation. Unlike the ones you see in the movies, and are available - but not to the NZ Police it seems......



Your best post on this topic...

Skidmarks 1st post here and DB in the other thread seem to be saying the same thing. Are you two one and the same??????

If not, perhaps this thread can be merged with the other and Skiddy can read about it there.....

Are you not allowed equipment such as the "Second Chance" clothing?

Friend of mine took a 9mm to his side whilst wearing one of their lightweight undershirt T Shirts. Lots of bruising but no penetration, hence my mate still being around to talk about it.

Richard Davis used to make a show of holding a .44 mag to his stomache and pulling the trigger. His only allowance to comfort was some padding to save the bruises

[Patrick]

Are you not allowed equipment such as the "Second Chance" clothing?

Dept can be funny about non NZ Police issue uniform items.... Some fork out for things like this from their own pockets from the States, but I believe the Dept should pay for it, being the good employer, making the work site safe for their staff, and all that sort of thing....

[sAsLEX]

Dept can be funny about non NZ Police issue uniform items.... Some fork out for things like this from their own pockets from the States, but I believe the Dept should pay for it, being the good employer, making the work site safe for their staff, and all that sort of thing....

Happens in all Govt. depts.

We are always supplementing issue equipment with our own as they don't want to pay an extra dollar, yet they use suppliers that are known to be the most expensive around go figure?

[Mr Merde]

Dept can be funny about non NZ Police issue uniform items.... Some fork out for things like this from their own pockets from the States, but I believe the Dept should pay for it, being the good employer, making the work site safe for their staff, and all that sort of thing....

I thoroughly agree with you here. These products really do work and best of all they are not bulky or uncomfortable to wear.

Met Richard Davis in the UK once. He is passionate about his product and the lives his product saves.

Penny pinching government officials who would rather spend their budget making themselves look good rather than where it would really matter.

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[mstriumph]

.........The officers involved are professionals and they deal with this scum day in, day out. Even tho' the decisions made may look stupid and obvious to us, the police (having the benefit of far more exprience and inforamtion) are making the decision based on a far more informed level.

They take this kind of work seriously - there is NO WAY that they would not have sat down, planned, done a risk assessment and come to the decisions that they did. Unfortuantley they were in this instance wrong.

RIP to the officer, his family, friends and co-workers.

ditto that RIP and those condolances

But i reckon Skidmark is right - if things are as reported then it looks as though someone stuffed up
of course everyone does, sooner or later but it's sad if it gets someone killed and will be even sadder if some kind of whitewash is attempted later ....


not that i'm saying that it did or will be - but there's a lot in that report which doesn't seem logical ..............

[mstriumph]

.. ok Im not keen on kids being subjected to cruel or inhumane shit .. .........

well mine, no - MINE are angels of course ---- but other people's brats? burn em i say!!

[Quasievil]

Happens in all Govt. depts.

We are always supplementing issue equipment with our own as they don't want to pay an extra dollar,

but whats wrong with GUCCI and KY, its only the navy !!

sorry honestly I couldnt resist

[alanzs]

Condolences to the family of the extremely brave officer that died trying to protect the same people who have nothing better to do than dis him.
Shame on all those who have no respect for this guy who died trying to help us.
Shame.

[skidMark]

Stop putting things in between the lines that aren't there. At no time in that report did it state it was a "suspected P Lab" as you state. The words used were "They were targeting a property they believed had links to P when things went horribly wrong."
They could have been suppliers, users... anything.

News article had been severely chopped and changed since i posted the thread.

[skidMark]

how about snipping some digits? And upon conviction after the finger chopping ceremony you officially lose all rights to ANY form of Dole, DPB etcetc- now thats sensible sentencing!(that is on top of the 20 of course!)

so hang on now they have no dole money and cant get employment, so what are they going to do to fund themselves that worked before oh yeash, make drugs.

[skidMark]

Condolences to the family of the extremely brave officer that died trying to protect the same people who have nothing better to do than dis him.
Shame on all those who have no respect for this guy who died trying to help us.
Shame.

Did i at anytime whatsoever blame the officer who died, he was just fooling an order from his employer.

[sAsLEX]

but whats wrong with GUCCI and KY, its only the navy !!

sorry honestly I couldnt resist

At least its not the RN

[mazz1972]

I'm getting fed up of the crock of shit emotive reporting we are getting fed by the media, and it's steadily getting worse.

How many times last night I heard the operation referred to as a botch up. For chrissake these are experienced people making judgement calls, including the officer that was killed.

We only hear what the media want us to hear, and opinion is too quickly reported as fact.

I could not believe the way this story was reported on TV1 last night.