Incompetence by NZ police re: death of officer.

[spudchucka]

ill-informed?, i used the media, same as anybody else does?

Say no more!

[98tls]

Say no more!

Spudchucka walks off shaking his head.

[skidMark]

Say no more!

Well it is how any imformation able to be released to the general public is released it it not?

They can twist it how they wish, you are in theory only able to get the same information.

So you obviously have other information, from another source, that cannot be released to the public, so you are using information unavailable to me, to shut me down, yet will not give any more details.

Keep it up sunshine, nice long reply you had there, run out of words, realised i completely just made you look ridiculously bad?

This time i want a decent reply, so please do enlighten us to your source, and some evidence of further proof, otherwise you are spouting no more than hear say and general "ooo heres a chance to bash skidMark"

guess what mate.

FAIL.

have a nice day spud.

I eagerly await your reply.

Skid.

[skidMark]

Ill informed and not very bright then...

The media is the median in which information is released, like it or not it is all we got, we all know that, so stop trying to turn it on me.

yet another FAIL.

please try again later.

Wheres somebody of katman quality with a decent defence to me, this is just getting sad.

Media is how the information is released, it is not possible for joe public like me to recieve the stripped down version straight from the horses mouth, i quoted the news article, and what the medeia had used as word for word quotes from somebody in the new zealand police, so what more can i do, the media cannot twist a quote, it is illegal, and twisting a quote from a nz police officer (a high up one no less) in a highly discussed case, on the front page of the paper, they are hardly going to be able to put words in thier mouth now are they.

If you are going to skidmark bash, have more in your defence than a chopped quote from me and a one line reply, because i will not put up with it.

Skid.

[spudchucka]

How about you detail exactly how the alleged incompetence of an entire organisation that you mention in your thread tittle contributed directly to the poor man's death.

[Patrick]

ill-informed?, i used the media,

so unless you have a source within the nz police? which is not public information, ....

So you are using a source that is not publicly available knowledge to all, to call me ill informed?

Top work buddy, good luck with that.

Geez skiddie... it aint a bash at you. Your header was the bait.

The media are well known for the crap they spout, and you took it hook line and sinker.

Yep, we have a source and yep, we aint telling you about it, as it is on a need to know basis. Operating procedures and the like are need to know... YOU do not need to know how, why, when we do what we do.

Simple really......

[skidMark]

How about you detail exactly how the alleged incompetence of an entire organisation that you mention in your thread tittle contributed directly to the poor man's death.

by the NZ police does not mean the whole organisation was incompetant (even if this is the case)

it is like all the milk powder in china killing babies, fonterra only holds a share in the compaany, it doesnt actually supply any product, yer they are in deep shit over it.

I think the procedures in place used by the NZ police need to be looked at. as obviously this time was a cock up and there must be some kind of book of corredct procedure, not just oh yeah guys what you reckon, want to go rambo style tonight orrr...should we do paper scissors rock?

i don't think so eh.

so in short, yes a cock up by a few officers does reflect on the whole force, to say it doesnt would be a very narrow minded view.

Welcome to the real world.

Was still expecting a longer better thought out reply though spuddy, and after 3 posts thats all you manage to spit out?

[skidMark]

Geez skiddie... it aint a bash at you. Your header was the bait.

The media are well known for the crap they spout, and you took it hook line and sinker.

Yep, we have a source and yep, we aint telling you about it, as it is on a need to know basis. Operating procedures and the like are need to know... YOU do not need to know how, why, when we do what we do.

Simple really......

SO officer patrick, the NZ police is holding back information from the NZ public regarding this case?

Yet, you are using this against me without giving details?

Well thats an unfair advantage in a resoned debate now isn't it.

its like putting a scooter vs a busa in a drag race...

So unless you will share this source, which you won't...

skidMark: 1

You lot of stirrers: 0


fail...

[spudchucka]

by the NZ police does not mean the whole organisation was incompetant (even if this is the case)

it is like all the milk powder in china killing babies, fonterra only holds a share in the compaany, it doesnt actually supply any product, yer they are in deep shit over it.

I think the procedures in place used by the NZ police need to be looked at. as obviously this time was a cock up and there must be some kind of book of corredct procedure, not just oh yeah guys what you reckon, want to go rambo style tonight orrr...should we do paper scissors rock?

i don't think so eh.

so in short, yes a cock up by a few officers does reflect on the whole force, to say it doesnt would be a very narrow minded view.

Welcome to the real world.

Was still expecting a longer better thought out reply though spuddy, and after 3 posts thats all you manage to spit out?

What procedures exactly are you talking about? What was done wrong and how can they improve it in order to avoid future "cock ups"?

[Patrick]

... Welcome to the real world.

Re read my last post.... I have been doing this job longer than you have been alive. I think I know about the real world....

SO officer patrick, the NZ police is holding back information from the NZ public regarding this case?

I hope so... It is an operational procedure - we don't want the shitheads knowing how and what we do to catch them...

Yet, you are using this against me without giving details?

Say what???? Using what against you?????? Are you going to change the world????????????????

Well thats an unfair advantage in a resoned debate now isn't it.

No - its life Jim, get over it.... YOU do NOT need to know. You WANT to know.... Want and need are quite different.

its like putting a scooter vs a busa in a drag race...

or taking a knife to a gun fight...

So unless you will share this source, which you won't...

skidMark: 1

You lot of stirrers: 0


fail...

Whatever gets you through the day.....

You winner....

[98tls]

Re read my last post.... I have been doing this job longer than you have been alive. I think I know about the real world....



Whatever gets you through the day.....

You winner....

Silly bugger will have a fat on for a week."i fought the law and i won".

[jrandom]

"i fought the law and i won".

Heh.

Well, that'd be solely on the internets, then.



(Don't worry, Mark, I'll bring you a cake with a file in it.)

[Swoop]

I guess the dead dude had not anticipated such 'reaction' to his efforts...I know that in similar situation I think the same....

(ever tried sliding under a car with an m24 strapped to you while trying to be covert?).

I imagine that his job of fitting a device inside(?) the vehicle would have been made much more difficult, if wearing a stab proof vest.

Interesting to see the two "accused" in the dock, on tonight's news.

[scumdog]

SO officer patrick, the NZ police is holding back information from the NZ public regarding this case?

Yet, you are using this against me without giving details?

Well thats an unfair advantage in a resoned debate now isn't it.

its like putting a scooter vs a busa in a drag race...

So unless you will share this source, which you won't...

skidMark: 1

You lot of stirrers: 0

fail...

Be aware Skiddy the media (unbelievably) will print (a) whatever sellls their rag and (b) whatever half-truths and outright fabrications they can get away with.

And the public devour it like it's the truth.

But ya knew that eh?

[alanzs]

Be aware Skiddy the media (unbelievably) will print (a) whatever sellls their rag and (b) whatever half-truths and outright fabrications they can get away with.

And the public devour it like it's the truth.

But ya knew that eh?

WHAT! You mean that everything in the paper or the TV isn't true? No way....