Newbies and UoA riders - this is aimed at you!!

[vifferman]

What a strange thread.
I don't have anything new to contribute, but I'd just like to say I applaud the intent and content of MBB's original post, and his actions. Well done, Sir!
If you ride with inadequate gear, you're a dickhead. And I agree that it's a shame that so may bikers do, and that our ACC premiums are so high (although it could be argued that much/most of that is a result of other driver's faults, not how much safety gear we choose to wear.)

However (but!) I am opposed to the creeping spread of Rules'n'Regulations To Protect Us From Ourselves, and a BIG fan of personal responsibility. Down with the bureaucrats. They'll be in the second wave of people up against the wall, probably just before 'agents' of all kinds. (Except secret agents, of course. We need more derring do.)

If you choose to risk not wearing all the gear, that's your problem. WHile I usually wear all the gear (about $2-$3k worth), sometimes I choose not to, for short trips or whatever. Several times while doing so, I have had an incident. So fucking what. None of those times was it my fault the incident occured, but the scars are my fault, and I accept responsibility for them, regardless of who caused me to end up on the road. It's my life, and I have some rights to live it as I choose, as long as it doesn't adversely affect others. In my case, none of my injuries caused significant boosting of ACC expenditure, as I eschew help unless REALLY needed. I have had others that did: one was when I was wearing all the safety gear I could have, and needed physio (fat waste of money that was) for my leg. Short of a suit of padded metal armour, nothing would have made a difference. The other accident was at home, in the safety of my gargre. Despite many, many years of using very dangerous tools, riding bikes, being a hoon, and suffering very little for it, that was probably my worst accident in some ways, and was caused by my socks.

So there you go.

Socks should be banned.


Dunno what the fuck my post was about, but I thought I'd join in anyway.

[ital916]

Our uni club the SMC is quite heavy on gear and the majority of guys in the club wear ATGATT.

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[ital916]

Hell I've only got 20% mobility in my left arm, due to a bike crash.

A crash that occured on a 250, after which you logically decided it would be better to upgrade you bike cc wise to a 400 as it would be easier to ride. And you complain about others logic. Not pickin on ya jaf.

[Ragingrob]

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Oh? At the chiller I believe pretty much everyone has helmet jacket and gloves at the least.

[ital916]

who the fuck are you to generalise this to the entire uoa riding crew?!?! in all fucking honesty, the moron who did himself in because of his idiocy isnt even on this site so THIS WHOLE FUCKING RANT IS POINTLESS!!

if i saw a white guy crash his bike, it doesn't give me the right to get onto a public forum and rant on about how white guys are idiots and they should pull their fucking head in.

if you hadnt been such a fucking moron and targeted a group of people unwarrantedly and in a "I AM GOD, HEED MY WARNING" type tone, the point you're trying to get across would be valid......well done ya dumass

hope the guy you rescued recovers quickly and onya for helpin out

Are we debating safety gear usage, freedom of choice or sterotypes and social groupings. No point in arguing social sterotyes, as MBB has just blanketed the general area of incident. Why get so worked up. There is an UoA riding crew...since when was there a riding crew nish. We shouldbe the first to admit 90% of the UoA riders are twat, fair enough 90% only ride for commuting but still.

As for safety gear usage, I guess in a totalitarian society even would be made to wear full gear but alas that is the joy and sometimes the donside of life MBB, people can choose. Sometimes they make the wrong choice, and it is part of life for us to deal with it. I you make gear madatory there will be a baclash, if you make it fully optional there will be a backlash, alas we might actually be at a point where we are in semi equilibrium. This argument can go forever..lets all have a group hug.....*painkillers are good*

[ital916]

In an astounding turn of events...

PirateJaffa - is it true that you're - get this - the Safety Officer for the UoA riders club???

Does your safety message sound something like "go hard, if you break any bones, crawl to the hospital".

You know MBB...you not bad essay,

[ital916]

and the personal attacks continue......for someone who "has an IQ good enough for MENSA" you havnt said a whole lot of smart things starting from post 1......in all seriousness, i agree with you that a lot of idiots that ride to uni are twats and that they SHOULD wear better protective gear.....my point is that you should not have generalised that to the "Bikers" that go there.....we are an entirely different breed....and chances are 80% of the idiots riding to uni are not on KB so your attacks are, once again, misdirected and unbased......and i always thought Jafa was takin the piss....im the bloody secretary for the club and i never knew about it but then stevo never tells me anything

p.s. fuck asshole dumass fuck titties (hadnt sworn at all this post so thought id chuck em in)

Personal attacks is the clubs specialty, they are like the ninja warriors of kb.

[ital916]

If you met me in meatspace you'd understand that's not true, I just hate wasting cyber-ink. Tell you what, next ride that you organise, flick me a PM and I'll ride with you all. And then we can debate the merits of freedom of choice all you want.

Count me in. i'll be tec...i like being tec.

[madbikeboy]

Count me in. i'll be tec...i like being tec.

I'm not sure I can keep with you all, I might be the tail end charlie by default.

When's the next ride?

[madbikeboy]

Personal attacks is the clubs specialty, they are like the ninja warriors of kb.

How many in the club, and do y'all ride 250's?

[ital916]

How many in the club, and do y'all ride 250's?

Hmm a few..well technically on our official list like two hundred or something but aorund 20 to thirty fully active members. I haven't gone on a club ride in a while, just doin my own thing at the mo. Email squiggles, he will out you on the mailing list or just look in the forum, I warn you though, watch where you step in the forum. Not too tidy from all the shit talking.

[ital916]

How many in the club, and do y'all ride 250's?

Na the majority ride large bikes. cbr929, cbr1000, tl1000 three vfr 400s, rs250, three hornet 900s, zzr250, bandit 250s, gn250s, cbr600, gsr600, er6ns etc

[bomma]

If you met me in meatspace you'd understand that's not true, I just hate wasting cyber-ink. Tell you what, next ride that you organise, flick me a PM and I'll ride with you all. And then we can debate the merits of freedom of choice all you want.

sweet mate will do, more the merrier think there's a club ride goin round the coro this sat (i wont be making any rides for a lil wile, until exams finish)

Are we debating safety gear usage, freedom of choice or sterotypes and social groupings. No point in arguing social sterotyes, as MBB has just blanketed the general area of incident. Why get so worked up. There is an UoA riding crew...since when was there a riding crew nish. We shouldbe the first to admit 90% of the UoA riders are twat, fair enough 90% only ride for commuting but still.

errr i thought i had made it clear that my problem wasnt with the message of safety but the fact this one indivdual's actions (or lack of) was generalised to all of us at the uni..... may have gone over some people's heads i guess....maybe i should be more clear

and there is a "riding crew", we the ones who go "riding" every other weekend and are enthused by the ride and dont just use it for the cheap petrol to commute......errr is that clear enuff?? and your percentage stat resmebles mine from my earlier post.....i think......

Personal attacks is the clubs specialty, they are like the ninja warriors of kb.

errrr......no comment?? im not too sure what you mean by that but ummm im not really too clear on most of your posts so i guess it's just normal......

[Ragingrob]

Don't you ride a thou MBB? Well if ya do come along for a ride, hopefully your mind will be changed about UoA bikers in terms of gear

As Drider and I have said, the majority of "bikers" (people who ride a 2-wheeler to Uni) are doing it for the cheap commute, these are the people who aren't on KB, aren't really interested in riding as a lifestyle, and aren't interested in gear that they may deem as uncool and unnecessary.

The others form the Auck Uni SMC (Scoot an Moto club) of which the active members ride to live and live to ride. We are the ones on KB, keen on bikes, keen on wearing cool leathers, and also keen to making changes to the shocking parking along Symonds st.

[madbikeboy]

Yeah, I've got a couple, GSXR1000, and old school CBX1000. I think the Gixer (Scoot) is the choice for the Coro loop.

Check out the albums in my profile, I think you can see both.