Absolute bollocks! (Self defence issue)

[sinfull]

If anyone from the age of 10 12 15 20 30 40 came into my home, work or in public for that matter in numbers, armed and with the intention to demand i hand over goods, money, my woman, or anything for that matter I would take my hockey stick and not stop till only one person walked out of there !

[MadDuck]

I cannot believe they actually arrested him

[McJim]

So the message they are sending is "If someone pulls a knife or other deadly weapon and threatens a police officer they call the armed offenders squad who will only aim for centre of body mass (i.e. shoot to kill) but if an armed offender threatens a member of the public we are supposed to just sit there and get stabbed?"

Fuck that for a game of soldiers - if you are prepared to carry a deadly weapon with intent then you had better prepare to die. Simple.

[MadDuck]

"If someone pulls a knife or other deadly weapon and threatens a police officer they call the armed offenders squad who will only aim for centre of body mass (i.e. shoot to kill) but if an armed offender threatens a member of the public we are supposed to just sit there and get stabbed?"

yep seems so

[sinfull]

I think a few kids got a good learn !

[bomma]

i fully agree with ya jimmer....this is basically giving criminals rights that they just dont deserve.....this is an injustice to all members of public who value their life and limbs

[MadDuck]

Now come on guys. This poor youth was hit in the head with a hockey stick probably more than once - I know how that feels because I used to play.

Good job Mr Singh!

[Jantar]

So an armed criminal comes into your shop, stabs you and robs you.

According to the police your response should be "Please just wait a minute while I dial 111. The Police will take a while to send a taxi so you can continue to rob and stab me afterwards."

To hell with that. If a criminal comes into a shop, armed and intent on robbery, then don't even waste time with a hockey stick, blow him away with both barrels of a 12 guage.

There isn't a jury in the land that will find that shop keeper guilty, yet us tax payers will have to foot the bill for his defence and the defence of the criminals.

[turtleman]

So the message they are sending is "If someone pulls a knife or other deadly weapon and threatens a police officer they call the armed offenders squad who will only aim for centre of body mass (i.e. shoot to kill) but if an armed offender threatens a member of the public we are supposed to just sit there and get stabbed?"

Fuck that for a game of soldiers - if you are prepared to carry a deadly weapon with intent then you had better prepare to die. Simple.

Yep -getting fkn ridiculous ( or is that rediculous)...
Fuck 'em. If they come bearing weapons, they better be prepared to use them or suffer ..... coz, I sure will use anything available to me that will stop them - even if it's only my teeth.!

[McJim]

It's just pure logic.

He has a deadly weapon. Therefore he intends to kill me. Therefore this is a fight to the death. Therefore I MUST kill my opponent to survive.

Seems simple to me - this is how I will think when presented with that situation.

[Squiggles]

Must be careful when taking the law into your own hands, self defence sure...
Gotta state the obvious though, had he not complied with them, what would they have done with the knife? waved it around, or stabbed him? who is willing to play russian roulette with their life when they've got a bigger weapon to protect themself with...

[TOTO]

anyone got a link for the news article - i'm a bit behing with the news those days...

[jrandom]

So this is a "robber threatens me with deadly weapon, I can either comply or fight back with my own weapon" situation?

When has the smart answer to "your money or your life!" been "fuck you, motherfucker, I'll see your cold steel and raise you a hockey stick!" anywhere outside of Jackie Chan movies?

Also, the fight that a shopkeeper's been charged in relation to happened outside his shop. It's nothing to do with the main 'stabbing' story. Two different incidences reported on in the same article. 'Outside the shop' is hardly last-ditch fighting for one's life, is it?

Even many states in the trigger-happy USA place a 'duty to retreat' on threatened homeowners and shopkeepers, etc.

Edit: I love the inevitable po-faced cop quote about 'taking the law into his own hands'. He should have carried on, "Oh, and if that frustrates you, call 0800 NEW COPS, and learn how to fuck people up with sticks without breaking their pretty faces!"

[Boob Johnson]

Must be careful when taking the law into your own hands, self defence sure...
Gotta state the obvious though, had he not complied with them, what would they have done with the knife? waved it around, or stabbed him? who is willing to play russian roulette with their life when they've got a bigger weapon to protect themself with...

Thats not how this went down from what I understand, but do agree. Tis a hard one, as Jim said, you bring a deadly weapon & its a (possible) fight to the death, yours! Are you going to take the chance that a passive approach is going to work when the circumstances at hand don't suit that?


Apparently one of the shop keepers approached a drunk youth outside the shop that was suspected of stealing (highly likely took place id say), a fight broke out, no doubt started by the guilty party, from there on a im a lil sketchie, but can sure as shit say I would approach & hassle anyone stupid enough to stand out front of my shop with my goods in his pockets as well & if the prick started a brawl, situation dependant, you would defend yourself with whatever you had at your disposal, you wouldn't be human if you didn't defend your own life.

[Boob Johnson]

So this is a "robber threatens me with deadly weapon, I can either comply or fight back with my own weapon" situation?

When has the smart answer to "your money or your life!" been "fuck you, motherfucker, I'll see your cold steel and raise you a hockey stick!" anywhere outside of Jackie Chan movies?

lol as said above, not quite how it went down by the sounds of it. Pretty sure one of the whanau had run to his aid with the closest thing he could find once the fight broke out, im a betting man & I reckon he didn't intend to fight just confront the drunk youngster about the apparent theft before he is set upon. If any of my whanau are being attacked I can't see myself doing anything different, in fact an incident outside our house a while back where youths were kicking cars & smashing windows of businesses late at night ended with a few vigilante justice delivered tears & we got a pat on the back from the 5-0 when they arrived