Lets all just live in prison... oh wait labour we are
Cyborg Biker
Lets all just live in prison... oh wait labour we are
Heavy Metal Thunder
No, not really. It's rather tiresome when people pigeon-hole a party with such off the cuff remarks based on superficial perceptions.Originally Posted by Swoop
Take the time to learn about a given party's policies in order to make informed comment on issues and eventually an informed decision on voting day.
Fact of the matter is, no one party has all the answers to running the country and some of the smaller parties have a strong voice on niche issues. This is one of the benefits of an MMP system.
http://www.greens.org.nz/policy/summary/justice
Makes for interesting reading.
Particularly this bit:
While the Green Party has worked hard to strengthen victims' rights in the criminal justice system, appropriate compensation and restoration for complainants is still inadequate and the need for reform is overdue. The Green Party wants to strengthen the rights of victims and will:
1. Hold an inquiry into the role of victims in the criminal justice system, and into what support systems exist for victims of serious crime.
2. Support provisions to deduct unpaid restitution and court fines through the IRD or Income Support and close loopholes to ensure that family or other trusts will cease to be a way of avoiding liability. When offenders receive Income Support (or are of limited means) they should be given a choice to either pay off fines or provide restitution in some other way.
3. Research the viability of state-awarded compensation for victims as well as provision for some offenders, when deemed appropriate, to be required to recompense the state for at least part of the compensation outlay.
4. Provide counselling and compensation for victims, preferably paid for by the offender, where they have the ability to do so.
5. Research the viability of state-awarded compensation for victims where the offender must pay it back to the state.
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Psyclepath
I think you'll find that there are plenty of fences around South Auckland...they should just put a fence around south auckland ...... problem solved!
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Psyclepath
"Community based justice" - with a Hockey Stick!
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bouncy
Sorry SW, your above link made me think that the Greens are even more in lala land than I thought.
Your average beneficiary is supposed to pay what? $5 a week for 500 years?
And why is it assumed that money will make it better for the family who has lost a loved one?
Just what the family of a lost loved one wants eh? To have a weekly reminder of a pittance of money coming in from someone who could not keep his stabby hands to himself. I would rather see some serious counselling for the offender and empathy lessons and a great big clip around the back of the head.
sorry. touched a nerve.
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It's a hell of a lot more productive than sitting in prison making furniture. Get them all working for the full term of their sentence.
Nah hang on that won't work, I don't want them in my neighbourhood.
In Texas I think -there is tent based prison with inmates doing hard labour fixing roads and shit. we have a lot of shit roads to fix.
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Deus ex ukulele
If you want a change of government, then the only way that will happen is if you vote for the National candidate in your electorate and give National your Party Vote.
Voting for the Greens, on whatever "intellectual" basis, is a vote for Labour, because that is the Party the Greens have stated they will go into coalition with (on the presumption that Labour gets enough votes to be in such a position).
Also it's naive to vote for any Party on the basis of what they "stand for" or what may be written on their manifesto. All of that principled clap trap gets slaughtered on the altar of expediency after the election, when the horse-trading necessary to form a workable coalition (the naked grab for power) really starts. Even without becoming part of a formalised coalition, parties will still compromise their position in order to get the votes necessary to prosecute their legislative programmes or to remain in government.
Politics is never pure or principled. Wake up and smell the coffee.
Cast your vote on 8 November with a cold grasp of reality, rather than some misty-eyed fantasy.
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Quite!
* A moratorium on all new prison construction except for the purposes of replacement.
(Huh? With an increasing population we will eventually need new prisons, or is prison overcrowding acceptable?)
* Establish 'family houses' for pregnant women and mothers in prison...
Transport:
* Encourage freight to be shifted off roads and onto rail...
(Convenient, since their coalition partner has just bought an expensive trainset)
* Encourage the development of hybrid sea vessels (eg wind...)
(I believe there is already such a thing, called "a Yacht".)
* End the tax exemption on diesel, so diesel users pay their fair share of social and environmental costs.
(Creating a huge increase in inflation and living costs associated with distribution of food and consumer commodities.)
* Oppose plans to fast-track roading projects through the Resource Management Act.
(We simply cannot have the lesser green-backed, lesbian, whale toad-lizard inconvenienced at the expense of bloated beauracracy.)
Energy:
* Introducing a carbon charge on fossil fuels.
(Yep. Gotta have a bit of flagellation to appease the concience.)
* The Green Party will:
Redesign the Electricity Commission as a Sustainable Energy Commission with regulatory responsibility for all fuels.
(Seriously?)
That was quite scary, looking at a few policies they have. Thank goodness they are not in a position to "govern alone" politically!
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Psyclepath
I disagree Hitcher - folks in Epsom and Botany especially, should be electorate voting ACT and party voting National. That's the only way the overhang calculations work in "The Right's" favour.
Not strictly true either, they've said that they will express a preference before the election based on policy, but haven't done so yet. We all know what they will say though, their stance is a feeble attempt to get Labour to not take them for granted....Voting for the Greens, on whatever "intellectual" basis, is a vote for Labour, because that is the Party the Greens have stated they will go into coalition with (on the presumption that Labour gets enough votes to be in such a position).
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Deus ex ukulele
You raise an interesting and true point for folks in those electorates with a possibility of returning an ACT electorate MP.
But the best way of getting the overhang to work in The Right's favour, is to quickly get oneself on the Maori Roll and vote for the Maori Party. If the Maori Party wins all seven Maori seats, then Parliament overhangs by four. The Maori Party is more likely to enter into either a formal coalition with National or another mutually beneficial arrangement.
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Heavy Metal Thunder
Well quite possibly.
Though I am, in principle a Greens supporter, I don't agree with every thing they stand for. Over the next couple of months I'll be looking at all the parties policies with particular regard to education, law and order and health.
I have to say at times I am tempted to vote for National because I think they might actually be tougher on law and order than either the Greens or Labour, but I won't know till I learn about their policies.
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Hitcher obviously missed this one - there should be a capital E at the beginning of English! Naughty boy!
Yes, I am pedantic about spelling and grammar so get used to it!
Psyclepath
You mean you've bought into the international Green brand rather than the particular bunch of nutjobs and flakes we have here?
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Heavy Metal Thunder
No. Of the NZ Greens party MPs I know personally or have met at party events I don't think any of them are 'nutjobs and flakes' as you put it.
Psyclepath
Wow. You should tell them to get some coaching on how they come across in the media then.
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