Scooter boy
Just to confirm somethings on this list.... my rear brake master cylinder siezed on me last week (7500km). Bike fell over in garage and snapped off the left handle bar. Clutch cable snapped at around 6000km. Otherwise has been a good commuting bike and handles long rides with relative ease (as long as you don't have to pass in a hurry).Originally Posted by vtec
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My Hyo has done 35k and I have snapped 2 clutch cables.........thats it!
My brake cylinder is fine
My rear shock is fine
My front forks seem a little soft.....change the oil
Front brake lever........if you are "cruising" at 160kph approaching a T intersection and grab the brakes when the bike is at its limits and an accident occurs you only have yourself to blame
Standing still and about stationary are the pretty much the same thing? If an insurance company prefers to write it off so be it. You can steal the seats out of some brand new cars and they would be written off. Does that indicate a poor build quality? Also been on a few KB and other rides where people have had "near stationary" offs on a variety of bikes and just about every time the clipon has snapped off. Is the CBR somehow indestructable compared to every other bike on the market?
As for being heavy, they are not built as race bikes who cares. Rather the learner etc ride this bike at lower speed than be a retard on a CBR who thinks he's in a superbike race and an accident waiting to happen
CDI unit....no problems at all
The bikes are built for the learner market primarily, they serve that market well. Quite a few people that have the more serious problems with these bikes from reading forums here and overseas. When you actually look in to how they treat the bike and how they ride it they are usually doing so well outside the limits of reasonable use.
Its no different to driving to the conditions, its called common sense.
If people want to drive a family Toyota Starlet like its the GTi model for example........make sure you have life insurance
Hardcore Biker
Yep, noted good crashers include:
Early 90's CBR250RR
Late 80's and early 90's CBR400RR
Early 2000's CBR600RR
Early 2000's CBR600F4i (one of the best many people use them for stunt bike because of their near invulnerable frame)
These are just the ones I know take crashes really well, I'm sure there are plenty of others, feel free to add to the list if you know proven good crashers. I'm pretty sure kickingzebra's K6 GSXR600 took his many crashes quite well? Did he ever manage to destroy it in the end?
I've never broken a rear peg hanger in all of my many crashes. Slightly bent one. HDTBoys CBR250RR when I bought it had a broken peg hanger (rearset) though.
Anyone know how well VFR400's crash? I want one.
Learning to ride on an RGV250 and a CBR250RR made me a competitive racer the moment I hit the track. I'm pretty sure learning to ride on a lump like the GT250 would have stunted my growth as a competitive rider.
If you're not concerned with the performance of your motorbike and don't intend to ride it hard ever, then you may as well get yourself a Suzuki UZ125. They rock, reliable, fast up to 80 and will do 100 or more if drafting, use pretty much no gas, heaps of fun, comfortable sitting position. Kick ass. and were only $3g last time I looked.
I'm not the best racer in the world but I think I'm better than most. Racing at Winton this weekend on my $2500AUD CBR250RR. Haven't been on that track before, but still in with a good chance of taking home the $200AUD prize money for the day. Will let you know how I get on.
Scooter boy
hyo 250s are slow.
Come warm yourself by the fire
great bikes. no issue at all with me when i ride them.
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Come warm yourself by the fire
Did you have a point or were you blowing smoke again?
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Dirt n00b
my hyo is in perfect condition, couple of teething probs which were assembly issues from the douche who put it together.
i have noticed that majority of people who say they are slow have 400s, 600s, or above.. never thort that a 600 would be quicker than a entry level 250.. go figure.
im happy with it.. better than my old fxr150, but not as good as the TL1000R i rode. no suprise there.
ive heard/read alot of horror stories with hyos but none seem to be applicable.. my brakes are still on the bike and work perfect, gearbox sweet, neutral is sweet. levelers are sweet.. nothing out of the blue or strange..
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Scooter boy
yea mate good on ya i had my gt250 r for 4 months now its great i love it ..i had me license for over 10 years havnt had a bike for a few years bought the bike new from bay city in tauranga and it runs like a dream . i am off to taihape on it this weekend i have been all over on mine ...i say good on ya and enjoy ur ride
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I've noticed the same thing
The bikes are nice and comfortable to ride, don't look anorexic. We have two in our family. I've replaced a clutch cable now on both bikes and that's been the only mechanical fault for thousands of K's and over a year of riding.
Hardcore Biker
I was comparing to CBR250's and ZXR250's. You can't deny that the Hyo's are on par with the GSX250's... and below par in comparison to the GPX 250's. So as far as I can tell they are the second slowest 250 sportsbike made since the 80's... and they are new! But I was more concerned about the build quality, and fragility.
I still ride and race CBR250's even though I've raced 600's and spent time on the track on things as big as Hayabusa's. They are just heaps of fun without the extreme danger.
Come warm yourself by the fire
ok lets do some simple math here.
ZXR,CBR,FZR....... 4 cylinders, basically descaled race engines.
GSX,GT..... 2 cylinders, stolen from a cruiser.
I'm no rocket science buddy - but you don't seemed 2 clued up if your trying to compare those bikes.
Ironically in this world of motorcycles sometimes the name of the game isn't speed. Shit look at the BMW F800......lovely bike, faster than a ducati - no, same price as a ducati - yes.
Before you go making more half assed comments - i'll ask you this. Do you think Suzuki's TL1000, SV1000, SV650, and SV400 were cool, reliable, fast bikes? who made them?
For the fact of the matter - reliability is the eye of the beholder. I had a shit run with fixing mates cam setup on CBR250's.....where my Malaysian (or whatever) RG150 went non-stop for 30,000K until i finally blew it up.
10 year old CBR = $5000, last forever so long as you chuck parts at it $$$
brand new RG150 = $3000, last for 30-60,000 until you blow the bloody thing up.
I imagine the hyosungs will end up being the same, ride it for 80,000ks - walk away from it.
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Yeah most of what you said is fair.
Although if you don't drop the CBR250's, you don't need to "throw" parts at it. And even when you do, you often get away with merely fairing damage.
And I'm sorry if my post offended, I'm just stating the situation as I see it and was defending my stance after people were accusing the detractors of the Hyosungs as comparing them with 600's and saying that they were being compared with non-learner bikes when in reality we're comparing them with other 250's. We were comparing on a cost/value/reliability/performance/looks level. Whining because the CBR250 has four cylinders is like whining about a 6 cylinder being better than a 4 cylinder with the same engine capacity (on an assessment of power/reliability/handling/fuel efficiency/cost effectiveness/build quality)... if it's better it's better. But even when compared with a GPX250 inline 2 cylinder, designed in the early 80's, it's still not up to par.
I've spent some time on TL1000s, and I think they are definitely no race bike. Very awkward to control, but cool, do mean wheel stands, but are possibly the most likely bike to throw you off for a minor slip of the wrist. I think the TL1000 and the SV650 are cool bikes yes. I never derided the Hyo GT650 either, although I can take the odd shot at it if you would like me to. But when it comes to the 250s, the Hyo 250 is a little poor.
The 2 strokes although being fast are unreliable, and I've always argued that. I started on a pepsi replica RGV250, and I had heaps of issues with it. But there is definitely some things I miss about it, like the peaky power curve felt great
and maybe that's the crux of the problem. It's a boring commuter/cruiser engine stuck in a sporty looking heavy bike, and sold as a sportsbike for a price that does not match it's performance or arguably its build quality.GSX,GT..... 2 cylinders, stolen from a cruiser
And just because you were struggling with cam setup on a CBR250 doesn't mean that they are unreliable. It means that you were doing stuff you probably didn't have enough knowledge to do safely. I've had the cams off the CBR250 to do it's 30,000k valve adjustment, and you do need to know the pitfalls otherwise you will likely break something.
And speed is only one of many areas where the Hyosung 250 is lacking, and it's part of what makes bikes fun is how quick and agile they are.
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my old one is dying at 40,000-50,000km dude....
thats a old comet
Scooter boy
Confused
I've just spent a couple of hours reading as much info on the Hyo GT250 as I can find,....and now I'm totally confused
Problem: I am finally in a position to get through my bike test (i.e. living in the same place for more than six months at a time !). Now comes the task of choosing a suitable 250 for mainly commuting 70kms a day and occasionally heading off for a weekend jaunt (possibly with with my wife pillion).
Solution: Research the various 250 options available, both new and used, then do the deal,...either privately or through a dealer.
However,......what I find is a lot of bikes around 10-15 years old, still asking $5-6k,.....or the option of a Hyosung, brand new from a dealer with a two year warranty ?!?!
I thought that would be the simplest decision ever,....until that is I started doing the research !! Seems lots of people knock them (never read the term Hyobag on the dealer's websites ?!),...yet an equal number praise them.
I don't want to thrash it round the track,...so the weight/power issue doesn't worry me too much. Yes, looks are very important and the fact that they resemble a few other bigger bikes is good in my eyes. BUT,...the fact that they may disintergrate at the slightest knock (according to some people),...that worries me ?!?! A problem for me is the fact that I live in Kerikeri and the dealers are all in Auckland. That's a bit of a trek if there is a warranty issue to sort out ?!?! Then this 4,000km servicing,...again, bit of a drive !!
So, KB,...what's your thoughts ? Go for the shiney new bike (with some potential foibles) and have some comeback,...or risk an old bike whose history is questionable ??
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I'm a CBR250 fan, but a VTR250 is a better commuter, or maybe a 250 motard. The CBR250's do rev high when cruising at 100, although you could change a sprocket size.
If I had to do it all again, I would still go for a CBR250RR mc22 with what I know now, but a 250 motard with some decent road tyres would be a very close second
Like you say, you aren't planning on being a racer, a VTR250 or a CBF250 would do you great. If you are new to riding, you will most likely have a drop and those fancy plastic fairings will get ugly fast. So a naked with crash bungs would be cool.
The Kawasaki ZXR250's aren't as reliable as the Hondas. They are more prone to leaks and expensive internal work like cam chain adjusters. But they are just as fast and handle great too. I'm pretty sure there's minimal problems with the GPX250's, I just don't like the way the look... The rear suspension and forks look... wrong, but for a twin they are fast and lightish.
The Hyosungs, personally I wouldn't touch them. As per all my aforementioned bitchings.
If you are happy on a cheap boring cost effective reliable learner bike, then a GN250 would be the go.
Remember nakeds might not be as pretty, but they get more street cred from blokes. Chicks look at them and think ugly though.
And 2 strokes? Only buy one if you've had tonnes of prior experience with them. The world is sort of phasing them out nowadays, for very good reasons.
And ALWAYS wear your gear. If you knew when you were going to have a crash you could avoid it. Never think Oh I'll just be careful. Crashes happen when you don't expect them otherwise you could avoid them.
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