Who's voting ACT, apart from me?

[Kaituna]

http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.c...=134031&page=3
Global change...
Read that you greenies and go and hug a volcanic rock.

[Manxman]

None, because their is no man made climate change its a natural situation, not the first time and wont be the last time the climate has a fluctuation.

Climate change is an excuse to scare people into thinking their is a problem that we need government help to "save our souls" and this will only come in the form of taxes and legislation to gain taxes, such as carbon credit and ETS.......its all B.S

+2. Said it before...first worldwide tax.

[Trouser]

+2. Said it before...first worldwide tax.

Next step world wide government?

[The Pastor]

Nope.......if Rodney wins Epsom on the electoral vote and ACT gets 1% of the party vote then he will be the lone ACT PM in parliament.

If Rodney wins Epsom on the electoral vote and ACT gets 2% of the party vote, then ACT gets 2 PMs in parliament - Rodney plus the first/next person on the list.

So, if Rodney wins Epsom, more party votes for ACT means more ACT MPs.....period!

so how dose that work? I thought it was 5% per seat?

[Jeremy]

If Rodney wins Epsom, which he will, ACT will not have to reach the 5% threshold for it to get proportional representation in parliament.

Do you want; logical environmental policies, tough stance on crime, lower government spending, and a common sense counterpoint to National's drongo MPs in the next government.....then party vote ACT.

Is that guaranteed though? Epsom's boundaries changed significantly since the last election.

[oldrider]

The Greens are good for one thing only.........COMPOST. (IMHO) John.

[Jantar]

so how dose that work? I thought it was 5% per seat?

No, its 5% OR a seat. A paty that wins a seat does not have to meet any percentage threshold, and every vote counts. Thus a vote for ACT is more powerful in returning a right wing government than a vote for National.

For tactical voting, in a strong national seat, electrate vote for National, party vote for Act. In a strong Labour seat, electorate vote for Act, party vote for National.

[davereid]

Hmm, so a cunning ploy would be...

Say you are the Labour or National Party.

You look at your safe seats - you might have 30-40 that you think you would win.

You DONT stand an electorate MP in your safe electorates.

You just encourage (or manufacture) a party that supports all your goals, and agrees before the election to vote with you.

You encourage your voters to support your natural partner in the electorate vote as you aren't running a candidate, but give you the party vote.

Thus, you will collect 30-40 electorate MPs.. and the same percentage of the list.

2-for-1 bang.

There is NO Way this would really happen though. The Greens and The Mordies really are different to Labour.

[rachprice]

I agree that 'global warming' is likely to be part of a phasic cycle of the earths climate but I think that programs put in place to decrease pollution still have their merit.
Granted the proposed schemes may not be the best way to go about things but I personally would like to be a part of sustaining the earth for future generations.
Pollution may not be the cause of 'global warming' as such but has been proven to have negative effects on health, most documented being the increase of asthma in urban/highly polluted areas
(bit rich coming from a 2 stroke rider I know!)

Tax cuts? yet people still bitch about our health system, education system etc. if anything, I think tax some more!
I don't think that our welfare system is perfect but its a necessity, not everyone is born into a privileged life.
Just because you get paid more doesn't necessarily mean you work harder either, so why not tax the rich?

[Jantar]

Hmm, so a cunning ploy would be...

Say you are the Labour or National Party.

You look at your safe seats - you might have 30-40 that you think you would win.

You DONT stand an electorate MP in your safe electorates.

Yep. Its been done in one or two electorates in the past to ensure a safe seat for a coalition partner.

[Ocean1]

I agree that 'global warming' is likely to be part of a phasic cycle of the earths climate but I think that programs put in place to decrease pollution still have their merit.
Granted the proposed schemes may not be the best way to go about things but I personally would like to be a part of sustaining the earth for future generations.
Pollution may not be the cause of 'global warming' as such but has been proven to have negative effects on health, most documented being the increase of asthma in urban/highly polluted areas
(bit rich coming from a 2 stroke rider I know!)
rich?

Describe the health benefits involved in living in a bronze aged society.
Health in general is an order of magnitude better than at any time in recorded history.
The reason? Technology. Any restriction in access to technology will produce significant deterioration in health figures.

And yes, if you were serious about the environment you'd at least burn cannola oil.

Tax cuts? yet people still bitch about our health system, education system etc. if anything, I think tax some more!
I don't think that our welfare system is perfect but its a necessity, not everyone is born into a privileged life.
Just because you get paid more doesn't necessarily mean you work harder either, so why not tax the rich?

People bitch about what the six oclock news tells them to bitch about. You know full well what causes the vast majority of "health issues": lifestyle choices.
The same choices that usually make the difference between "privileged" and otherwise.

Besides, all dem privileged dudes, (wot just happen to have BEs and BScs) now reside in Brisbane. Or Brussels, etc etc.
Difficult to levy a success disincentive if'n they're not here anymore, see.

[Pixie]

So, lemme get this right:

• You recognise there is climate change (to be fair, incredibly rapid arctic melting may be too much of a clue to avoid, leave alone the methane recently venting out of the permafrost at 100x background levels)
• We emit lots of CO2 and other greenhouse gases - that's pretty easy to verify, we've been measuring this for years
• The last time these gas concentrations were as high was during the Eocene. That's a while ago, so, yeah climate fluctuations happen, but this one is pretty exceptional.
• The IPCC, who stand to gain absolutely nothing by raising "taxes and legislation to gain taxes", are all in on the conspiracy. As are a bunch of scientific experts with a wide ranging set of political preferences. Everyone is out to get your money that the wicked government stole from you. Bastards!
• In fact, every scientist since Arrhenius who's raised the issue of climate change is wrong, and you are right. Despite them being real climate scientists and all. And you, well, probably not.

If there's a word for thinking that way I bet it's hard to spell.

You say there is "no man-made climate change" - that's a pretty bodacious claim. Not that the primary influence is not man, but that there is no influence by man. I'll bet you a cold beer that you have zero credible evidence to back this up.

Sell your bike and ride a pushy,hippy

[Quasievil]

Tax cuts? yet people still bitch about our health system, education system etc. if anything, I think tax some more!
I don't think that our welfare system is perfect but its a necessity, not everyone is born into a privileged life.
Just because you get paid more doesn't necessarily mean you work harder either, so why not tax the rich?

Hell no !! increase tax take from the government doesnt improve things it makes them worse, we are taxed on a huge scale in NZ and there is more than enough money to pay for everything twice over, the problem is wastage, the beuracracy is a massive and extremely top heavy system so only a fraction of the tax dollar goes into actual bennifit.

Reduce Waste, reduce the government machine, get more choice and bang for your buck VOTE ACT

[rachprice]

Hell no !! increase tax take from the government doesnt improve things it makes them worse, we are taxed on a huge scale in NZ and there is more than enough money to pay for everything twice over, the problem is wastage, the beuracracy is a massive and extremely top heavy system so only a fraction of the tax dollar goes into actual bennifit.

Reduce Waste, reduce the government machine, get more choice and bang for your buck VOTE ACT

Well yeah Im not going to say money isn't spent on things I rather it wouldn't, but Im hugely biased towards our healthcare system

Why is it that some of the Scandinavian countries have the highest tax rates in the world and yet some of the highest standard of living?
Maybe my comment to tax more was somewhat flippant but I definitely don't believe in taxing less

[Quasievil]

Well yeah Im not going to say money isn't spent on things I rather it wouldn't, but Im hugely biased towards our healthcare system

Why is it that some of the Scandinavian countries have the highest tax rates in the world and yet some of the highest standard of living?
Maybe my comment to tax more was somewhat flippant but I definitely don't believe in taxing less

lol its all good mate.

I think its because we forget we have the population of a small city (by international standars) yet we drive a machine of a country, as well as (more importantly so) we have a MASSIVE welfare sytem which has made people dependant on it, we pay millions to bums and scammers willingly.
This is such an incredible drain on our economy whilst present we wont be going anywhere.
Until we change this welfare system health and police and all those important things will take a back seat to putting kfc and cigarettes on Mr and Mrs Rangi's table
(that will get the PC brigade going lol)