Bio Fuel

[vifferman]

NZ'ers (like most people) are greedy selfish bastards.

Yes.

BUT we live in a paradise (if you don't think so visit Europe, and if you still don't think so stay there)

I did visit it (some of it) and thought (some of it) was very nice. I was astounded by how green it was - it's not all paved over and built up at all. Like Holland - it's fairly small, but has huge parks, reserves and lots and lots of trees. Makes NZ look very scruffy and dirty.
Belgium was largely scruffy and dirty though...

.... we need to take a leading role in protecting it

Yes.

Global warming is a FACT

No. Global climate change is, but then it has been a fact since before yuman beans came along.

you may be able to argue that humans are not responsible - but not convincingly.

Ah... if anything, arguing for anthropogenic climate change isn't convincing. The overly-simplistic "cause and effect" hypotheses don't stand up well to rigorous examination via strict scientific methodology, and there's no way to PROVE any of the theories. That's what makes it easy for wildly extravagant claims either side of the truth to be made.

Pollution is a FACT and humans ARE responsible for all of it

Yes. No.
Humans are responsible for WAY too much pollution, and need to do summat about it. However, there is natural pollution, y'know. Take oil spills, f'rexample. The sediment records show that even the very worst oil tanker 'disaster' is just a very small and temporary blot on the landscape c.f. natural leakages. Luckily, this is one bit of pollution that is relatively short-lived: the volatile parts disperse within hours; the lighter oils are broken up and eventually broken down completely, and the heavier tarry components are incorporated into the sediments on the sea floor. Animal, fish and bird populations eventually spring back within an astonishingly short timeframe.

It takes more oil to manufacture a modern car than it will ever use in its entire life, private transport is fucked - Motor sport may have a future as long as the crowds take a bus or train to get there.

Yes.
And motorsports will become electric, if they survive.

More than half of the population on the planet do not even have clean drinking water but Kiwi's, (led by Nationals Nick Smith) went APE SHIT about a RECOMMENDATION that we install shower heads that restrict the flow of water !!!

So, what are you saying? Should we save water, and export it to other countries?

No one likes being told what to do - but if you don't act like a arsehole no one will have to tell you how to behave.

That's kinda true, but it cuts both ways. Change doesn't tend to be brought about by moderate, middle-of-the-road people: it takes radicals on BOTH sides of an issue to bring the true facts to light, somewhere in the middle. (It also means an awful lot of lies, exaggeration and propaganda have to be sifted through to get to the truth beneath all the layers of shit and the smokescreen.
Then it takes some bravery (and usually some sacrifice) to get things instituted to bring about change.

[wharfy]

And motorsports will become electric, if they survive.

Umm.. I suppose they will be called ElectricMotorsports

So, what are you saying? Should we save water, and export it to other countries?

We should save water because we waste a huge amount of energy and resources collecting, cleaning, delivering and heating it, cleaning it again and disposing of it. It is a finite resource (even in Wellington !!). There may be an export market, fleets of sailing tankers taking Clean NZ water to markets (even now bottled water sells for more than petrol in NZ !!!!)

That's kinda true, but it cuts both ways. Change doesn't tend to be brought about by moderate, middle-of-the-road people: it takes radicals on BOTH sides of an issue to bring the true facts to light, somewhere in the middle. (It also means an awful lot of lies, exaggeration and propaganda have to be sifted through to get to the truth beneath all the layers of shit and the smokescreen.
Then it takes some bravery (and usually some sacrifice) to get things instituted to bring about change.

Some one has to start the ball rolling. In my lifetime black Americans have gone from not being able to vote to being elected president. It took a LOT of people to move out of their comfort zones and some gave their lives. I am quite proud to live in a country that was first to given women the vote. I would like to think that NZ hasn't lost the balls that helped stand up to the US (and the other's) that put huge pressure on us over the nuke ship visits. It did cost us - but the world didn't end. We need to stand up and be counted as far as global environmental protection is concerned as well, and not just because there may be a positive spin off for us, but because it is the right thing to do. I am not proposing to die for the carbon trading scheme, but I am proposing to vote for a party that considers things other than corporate profit.

As far as the science behind the global warming debate is concerned I am not qualified to say. Luckily I work in a place chocker with scientists who specialize in the science of weather and climate and ARE qualified to say. All the ones I have asked seemed to think the science supporting global warming theory is satisfactory.

The media of course is responsible for a huge amount of bullshit and always report the most extravagant/worst-case scenario. e.g. a study predicting sea level increases by between 0.5 and 4 meters over the next 6 - 25 years will be reported as.

SCIENTISTS SAY SEA WILL RISE 4 METERS BY 2014.

(the above statistics like 75% of all statistics are made up)

Global warming like evolution is a fact - the theory of evolution AND the theory global warming are just theories to explain it and may or may not be correct. Humans may not be contributing to global warming - but we can't afford to sit around to find out, we have to do SOMETHING to try and reduce/mitigate our impact or we might end up as victims of Darwins theory - not fit enough to survive. If Global warming is caused by solar flares or something else beyond our control we are in the shit I guess.

NZ'ers willingness to have a crack at things, even if they are difficult is one of our more endearing traits. I hope we can apply it to the global environmental issues - just as soon as we fix the global economic fuck up produced by the free market - Are you busy this weekend ?

[mrchips]

The biofuel end is neigh ...

[davereid]

...Humans may not be contributing to global warming - but we can't afford to sit around to find out, we have to do SOMETHING to try and reduce/mitigate our impact or we might end up as victims of Darwins theory - not fit enough to survive...

The trouble is, that what we are doing is possibly worse than doing nothing. Not a single person has died from global warming. But the diversion of food crops to biofuels is already causing starvation.

Rich men don't have the right to take the poor mans food and burn it.

And carbon trading ? It will have exactly the same effect. It will ration carbon, where the ration card looks like a $10 note.

Some of us will have plenty of ration cards.

Others will just watch the cost of transport, food, electricity and heating consume more and more of their income.

The only ones to really benefit from carbon trading will be the traders.

If carbon trading is successful in lowing carbon emissions, you can be assured the pain of it will be carried by the poor.

[vifferman]

The biofuel end is neigh ...

Say wha...?
How did horses get into this? Are we making biofuel from horses ends now, or summat?7

And carbon trading ? ...
The only ones to really benefit from carbon trading will be the traders.

WTF IS carbon trading exactly? The amount of carbon in the world is a constant.
I understand the principle, but can't understand why it's been embraced, and got any further than just being a fucking stupid idea. As you say, only traders will benefit from this. And mebbe bureaucrats: they seem to LOVE new rules'n'regulations and ways of tying people up and/or pissing them off, so this will give them something to wank on about for years.

It's a wonder the carbon trading bureaucrats haven't come up with a similar scheme for silicon trading - that would be more lucrative, as there's much more silicon than carbon in the world.

[jetboy]

Hi guys sorry to drag up an old thread, but I'm experiencing a significant lack of power in my CBR250RR and was about to go and balance my carbies before a mate of mine asked me what fuel I use. I use Bio Fuel from Gull and havent had problems up until now, but my mate reckons that using this Bio Fuel could foul up my jets etc in the carbies....

My question is: is there anything I should do now that I know I'm not supposed to use Bio Fuel? Have any of you experienced the same sort of problem?

Thanks in advance!

[slofox]

You need to be sure that the fuel lines etc are ethanol blend tolerant - check with the maker for that. If any of the lines are NOT tolerant you might well get spooge blocking stuff up.
If all is good there, the ethanol blend should be just fine. I have run my bike on Force 10 since day 1. No problems after 24,000km. But the bike is rated to take that blend.
In general, ethanol burns cleaner than petroleum - less carbon in the engine etc etc - there are gazillions of articles on it if you dredge the net...

[motorbyclist]

Hi guys sorry to drag up an old thread, but I'm experiencing a significant lack of power in my CBR250RR and was about to go and balance my carbies before a mate of mine asked me what fuel I use. I use Bio Fuel from Gull and havent had problems up until now, but my mate reckons that using this Bio Fuel could foul up my jets etc in the carbies....

My question is: is there anything I should do now that I know I'm not supposed to use Bio Fuel? Have any of you experienced the same sort of problem?

Thanks in advance!

ethanol is a solvent.

It will slowly eat the rubber in (asfaik) every japanese vehicle on the market more than 5 years old. This includes cars and many new models also.

It also dissolves any deposits that have been building up, which then may come loose and and block injectors/fuel jets further along the line.

Ethanol also draws water from air into the fuel. If you've let your bike sit for a long time (or just over the weekend what with all the rain lately) this may be the problem.

Either way, get the good clean/balance from a trustworthy mechanic and have him check the plaugs, clean the air filter and do an oil/filter change. It's called a service and many bikes go too long without

[jetboy]

It's called a service and many bikes go too long without

Cheers for the reply man.

So far I have:

- checked plugs. They are light coloured and sparking correctly
- replaced airfilter. Infact I made one up myself by cutting the old filter material away from the filter housing and replacing it with after market filter foam
- changed oil and oil filter
- cleaned carbs
- got carb cleaner in my eye
- cleaned chain and sprockets

...and still got the power loss! Next step for me tonight is to play with the air/fuel mixture screws on the carbs and get it running a bit richer. Clean carbs again and hope like hell the thing works!

[motorbyclist]

Next step for me tonight is to play with the air/fuel mixture screws on the carbs and get it running a bit richer.

if that is the 4 carb model, good luck!

before you do that, did you apply air filter lube to the foam? I also put a bit of grease around the edges to ensure no air skirts around it.

If you go into the city at all i could have a listen and tell you what i think.