Food for thought

[Grahameeboy]

A topical issue right now.

Okay you should not run from the Police, that is obvious...however, the Police know that there may be a crash and fatalities.

Humans make mistakes, it is inbred. Is the chase really worth the outcome?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/7731936.stm

[Nasty]

Nothing is really worth that outcome ... killing not only yourself but others around you is one extremely selfish act.

[Grahameeboy]

Agree although I suspect being Manchester the occupants were all go for the idea.

I just think how simple is it for the Police to stop and think "If we chase this guy will it end in tears and should we let go"...all for the sake of a ticket or stolen vehicle offence...

Same for the driver I guess but he is in flight mode.

[PrincessBandit]

IMO anyone doing a runner from the police should be held completely accountable for their actions and the outcome if it ends badly. If you've got nothing to hide or some other sort of criminal/lawbreaking activity going on what's wrong with being stopped?
Riders and drivers who initiate chases are entirely to blame when they crash and yes, that includes being responsible for ensuing deaths. It is not a game or a bit of harmless fun to see if you can lose the car pursuing you - they wouldn't be doing it unless they had a good reason. Everyone knows that any vehicle can do enormous damage when control is lost, and most people will acknowledge that in a chase scenario eventually they will lose control of their car/bike. Unfortunately luck "saves" some of these people on enough occassions that others consider it still an acceptable option.
I say "Grow up, and allow your passengers and others who are unfortunate enough to be in your wrong place at the wrong time the chance to grow up and grow older too you selfish twats".

ps Grahameeboy, you don't have to say "and hopefully me too" - you know He does.

[jrandom]

Agree although I suspect being Manchester the occupants were all go for the idea.

Just goes to show you shouldn't do runners in cars.

Hopefully the surviving passenger will learn her lesson and start riding motorcycles once she can walk again.

[Grahameeboy]

IMO anyone doing a runner from the police should be held completely accountable for their actions and the outcome if it ends badly. If you've got nothing to hide or some other sort of criminal/lawbreaking activity going on what's wrong with being stopped?
Riders and drivers who initiate chases are entirely to blame when they crash and yes, that includes being responsible for ensuing deaths. It is not a game or a bit of harmless fun to see if you can lose the car pursuing you - they wouldn't be doing it unless they had a good reason. Everyone knows that any vehicle can do enormous damage when control is lost, and most people will acknowledge that in a chase scenario eventually they will lose control of their car/bike. Unfortunately luck "saves" some of these people on enough occassions that others consider it still an acceptable option.
I say "Grow up, and allow your passengers and others who are unfortunate enough to be in your wrong place at the wrong time the chance to grow up and grow older too you selfish twats".

ps Grahameeboy, you don't have to say "and hopefully me too" - you know He does.

Guess I see it a bit different...the Police also know that eventually the runners will crash too...

[Jiminy]

Agree with PrincessBandit on that one.

I bet we would see different comments here if the story had read:
"A police patrol stopped the car after it ran a red light AND KILLED A BIKER in Oldham, before starting a pursuit when the driver drove off at high speed."

Just don't run.

[Usarka]

On Thursday my brother was clocked speeding by a cop coming the other way. Cop did a U-turn on an S-bend directly in front of a truck coming the other way, cop managed to reverse out of trouble as the truckie laid a darkie on the road and probably in his undies.

Once he was pulled over he was shown the radar lock, 113km/hr.

Worth killing another driver for?

What if it was a biker and not a truckie?


ps - cop let bro off, can only imagine because he realised how much of a hypocrite he would have been. But then you have to ask why endanger lives to then let people off......

Haven't had a cop rant for a while

[dipshit]

I just think how simple is it for the Police to stop and think "If we chase this guy will it end in tears and should we let go"...all for the sake of a ticket or stolen vehicle offence...

WTF..???

I thought last week everybody here was crying out for the police to enforce red light runners....

Make up your minds people.

Should we do away with road rules and policing altogether and just let everybody do what they want?

And if it was your bike or car that was stolen and the police said... "oh yes, we saw it drive past but didn't think we should chase after it in case the crim was to speed off and endanger himself" I somehow don't think you would be to impressed with that idea.

[Gremlin]

IMO anyone doing a runner from the police should be held completely accountable for their actions and the outcome if it ends badly.

sounds good... but where does the responsibility end, and personal responsibility comes into play?

A guy in the states was sent to jail for the death of a cop. The guy ran, cop gave chase, cop crashed (can't remember specifics, but either a tyre blow out or something) and the guy was blamed, and convicted for the cops death.

That I don't believe in, the cop CHOSE to give chase (the guy certainly didn't WANT the cop chasing him), the guy didn't run the cop off the road etc, so full responsibility.... mmmm not quite.

[Dan Mapp]

sounds good... but where does the responsibility end, and personal responsibility comes into play?

A guy in the states was sent to jail for the death of a cop. The guy ran, cop gave chase, cop crashed (can't remember specifics, but either a tyre blow out or something) and the guy was blamed, and convicted for the cops death.

That I don't believe in, the cop CHOSE to give chase (the guy certainly didn't WANT the cop chasing him), the guy didn't run the cop off the road etc, so full responsibility.... mmmm not quite.

If he didn't run cop would (could) be still alive. Just stop and take the pill.

[Littleman]

sounds good... but where does the responsibility end, and personal responsibility comes into play?

A guy in the states was sent to jail for the death of a cop. The guy ran, cop gave chase, cop crashed (can't remember specifics, but either a tyre blow out or something) and the guy was blamed, and convicted for the cops death.

That I don't believe in, the cop CHOSE to give chase (the guy certainly didn't WANT the cop chasing him), the guy didn't run the cop off the road etc, so full responsibility.... mmmm not quite.

Something about swearing something and upholding the law....?

Don't think choosing to do parts of their job is really an option.

I believe policy dictates most 'choices' in the Police.

[Gremlin]

If he didn't run cop would (could) be still alive. Just stop and take the pill.

riiiight... ok...

lets take it further... cop, while pursuing the suspect, crashes into an innocent motorist, lets say a family, and takes out a couple of people... The suspect is still at fault?

I despise the lack of personal responsibility.

[sunhuntin]

its not that hard to stay on the right side of the law. its actually easier and cheaper in the long run!

[Badjelly]

Lets take it further... cop, while pursuing the suspect, crashes into an innocent motorist, lets say a family, and takes out a couple of people... The suspect is still at fault?

Yes, he certainly bears some responsibility in my view.

I despise the lack of personal responsibility.

Amen brother!