Terrorist (namely muslim) cowards

[Hitcher]

I'm sure in the long ago past Islamic, Jew and Chirstains lived together in some sort of harmony in the holy land.

Perhaps, when they were all Jews...

[The Stranger:Me]

Don't underestimate the strength of hatred that many countries in the world have against the "west" in general and the USA in particular. If I was a Palestinian who watched everything I created regularly get smashed to rubble at every time Israel's leaders felt like it, I'd probably be a tad disgruntled. And noting that that regional superpower exists largely on American aid, I'd probably not think that fondly of that land across the waves either. Violence begets violence, and nobody likes a bully.

Hang on, the Israelis are only helping the Palestinians at their national past time - blowing up.

[aewilliam]

Makes for a refreshing change from the Catholics vs Protestants in Ireland.

I guess the Christians are learning? (hopefully...)

And that their fight was (relatively) left for them to duke it out with each other without outside interference...

And Europe isn't as central to the world as the Middle East is - resources (oil), money (oil), ... coincidentally? i think not... the REAL reasons = greed...NOT religion.

[aewilliam]

That would be a first. Never in the history of human existence has tension between peoples of differing world views ever been resolved by peaceful endeavours. To the victors the spoils.

Precisely why the peace didn't last

For those societies and communities who DID give it a go and followed the principles (e.g. Mandela who WAS not the most peaceful until a change of heart after prison, Ghandi...Jesus Christ and his followers) it WORKED.

[Oscar]

Precisely why the peace didn't last

For those societies and communities who DID give it a go and followed the principles (e.g. Mandela who WAS not the most peaceful until a change of heart after prison, Ghandi...Jesus Christ and his followers) it WORKED.

Huh?

What worked?

When was the last time India was peaceful?

As for Jesus Christ and his followers, they've had the dominate religion on Earth for at least one thousand years - could you show me a decent period of peace in Christendom during that time? Even the various sects of Christians couldn't stop killing each other...

[Oscar]

I'm sure in the long ago past Islamic, Jew and Chirstains lived together in some sort of harmony in the holy land.

You have to be kidding.
As soon as the Christians got the upper hand, they killed Jews on a regular basis. Anti-Semitism isn't a German invention, it pre-dates Herr Hitler by about 20 centuries. They killed Christ after all...

[Hitcher]

They killed Christ after all...

Who happened to be Jewish. That hardly counts...

[Oscar]

Who happened to be Jewish. That hardly counts...

Erm...surely you jest...it's the whole basis of anti-Semitic behaviour.

[SARGE]

In 9/11, I lost a customer (Fiduciary Trust) and several great people myself and my team had worked with over the years.

Last week I got the call that a good friend had been murdered in the terrorist attack in India. He was a great man and had the most amasing life of anyone I know. His achievements were astonishing, but he just took it in his stride.

I strongly believe that religion is the root of most of the worlds evil. History taught me that. But these Muslim cowards take it too far. We'll never be able to stop them either. It's actually really scary.

RIP Andreas.

finally a thread i can sink my fangs into!!

sorry for your loss Finn.. i am probably one of a handfull of folk on here who understand....


look... everyone is going on about Human Rights, innocent civilians blah blah blah..

Look at Daniel Pearl..the Civilian contractors in Fajulla..the dead and injured in the First WTC attack..the 3000 killed in 9/11..

who is playing by the rules here?..who is taking the moral high ground..? certainly not them..

there was a case in Iraq a few years ago where a suicide bomber, attempting to send as many Marines to Hell as he could..found a couple of Marines handing out lollies to about 20 children..

yep..he got the Marines...

Oct 23 1983..300-odd Marines, sent to Beirut to stand between Hezbollah and the Israelis..Hezbollah was on the fuzzy end of the lolly, because Israel, in its no-nonsense style of warfighting, was scorching the earth..the UN decided to send a "peacekeeping" force in to stand between then 2 ..

most of the Marines were still sleeping when the truck bomb hit...


yea.. heaps of respect for the rags..

as far as stopping them.. get rid of the lefty media and the liberal attorneys..

let those of us who trained for this do our jobs without an arm trussed up behind our backs..

[aewilliam]

Huh?

What worked?

When was the last time India was peaceful?

As for Jesus Christ and his followers, they've had the dominate religion on Earth for at least one thousand years - could you show me a decent period of peace in Christendom during that time? Even the various sects of Christians couldn't stop killing each other...

Oscar...pity you take things out of context, or dont read the full story. Like all people who bang ALL Muslims and ALL Christians and ALL Jews and ALL HIndus and ALL religion.

As I said, when the principles of the religion/teachings/schoool-of-though were FOLLOWED and were not ABUSED, there WAS peace, albeit for a short time until others who wer NOT peaceful came along and un-peaced the peace

You have to be kidding.
As soon as the Christians got the upper hand, they killed Jews on a regular basis. Anti-Semitism isn't a German invention, it pre-dates Herr Hitler by about 20 centuries. They killed Christ after all...

Jews killed Christ, so the Jews were anti-Semetic?
The large amounts of killing in the past was done yes by those who killed "in the name of Jesus Christ", but were definitly NOT true Christians whatsoever, and its HISTORY whichi shoudl be LEARNED from.

[SARGE]

Why? So they match your preconceived ideas or some international 'law' about what a solider is and isn't? Really?

in order to qualify as a "Soldier" and not as an "enemy Combatant".. under International Law (ratified by over 170 countries)

To qualify for prisoner of war status persons waging war must have the following characteristics to be protected by the laws of war:

1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict
2. or members of militias not under the command of the armed forces
* that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
* that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;
* that of carrying arms openly;
* that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
3. or are members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power.
4. or inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war.

pretty easy to understand i thought...

[Oscar]

Oscar...pity you take things out of context, or dont read the full story. Like all people who bang ALL Muslims and ALL Christians and ALL Jews and ALL HIndus and ALL religion.

As I said, when the principles of the religion/teachings/schoool-of-though were FOLLOWED and were not ABUSED, there WAS peace, albeit for a short time until others who wer NOT peaceful came along and un-peaced the peace



Jews killed Christ, so the Jews were anti-Semetic?
The large amounts of killing in the past was done yes by those who killed "in the name of Jesus Christ", but were definitly NOT true Christians whatsoever, and its HISTORY whichi shoudl be LEARNED from.

For someone who professes to be a Christian you don't seem to have studied the history of your religion.

I wasn't taking things out of context, I asked you to elucidate on these peaceful communities. When was this peace and how long did it last?

As for the Jews killing Christ - Why do you think Christians persecute Jews?
Why were Jews expelled from most of Western Europe in the Middle Ages?

Finally it seems to be taking an awful long time for Christians to learn from history. People who call themselves Christians are still doing it (albeit in a subtler and more sophisticated manner).

[aewilliam]

finally a thread i can sink my fangs into!!

sorry for your loss Finn.. i am probably one of a handfull of folk on here who understand....

etc...

These so called "Muslim" extremists certainly don't play by the rules and cause unspeakable harm to innocents. They and their teachers are NOT true Muslims, and do NOT follow the spirit of their religion...

Those non-extremist Muslim sympathisers and benefactors who do not do anything or enough to stop the harm also are not true Muslims as they too are NOT following the principles of their religion.

Only once the terrorists, sympathisers, and supporters are shunned by the TRUE Muslims who practice their faith of Love can the extremist Muslims be shown the error of their ways and change. For example, i would guess us bikers would not give as much shi1t (in mind or mouth) to a biker cop as a cager cop if we were pulled over? Same as Muslims/Gang members/Drug Addicts...it has to (or is more likely to be successful and less damage and long lasting) if it is a change from within...

[SARGE]

[*]Al Queda (doesn't actually exist, it's a label made up by the CIA for all Muslim Terror Groups).[/LIST]

Al Queda isnt an organization.. loosely translated in Farsi, it means "the Base" (or Database)..

and the current war started at the fall of the Ottoman Empire (end of WW1)

[Mikkel]

in order to qualify as a "Soldier" and not as an "enemy Combatant".. under International Law (ratified by over 170 countries)

pretty easy to understand i thought...

What imdying is trying to say is that these guys doesn't play by the rules. As such it is pretty silly to get upset when they choose to target civilians or perform actions that defy the Geneva convention. Also, trying to put them into your "soldier box" (ratified by 170 countries or not) is a futile effort.