Terrorist (namely muslim) cowards

[mstriumph]

you shouldn't agree with me .......... it just encourages me and people here will start throwing things at you

[Hemex]

you shouldn't agree with me .......... it just encourages me and people here will start throwing things at you

Ill stand by what I believe in
Each to his own...

On saying that... Opinions and beleifs are like ar$#holes...everybody has one..

[mstriumph]

.........................but i dont believe that any civilized nation target civilians..

and yet the brits did deliberately target Dresden ......

[Oscar]

I agree with the first part... that the Indian govt may have taken the warnings signs issued a little too lightly...
But from what evidence has been brought forth...Pakistan harbors most of the terrorists.. its not a Muslim thing... but fanatics...and India is putting pressure on them to sort their shit out...damn straight their going to talk tough..

Moving troops? WTF are you saying dude? There is cross fire across the Indian and Pakistani borders every fuckin night...Its not brought out in the media... which I beleive is the source of your knowledge...
Pakistans troops are concentrated on the Indian border and of course some to fight the Taliban..the US supports Pakistan on the Taliban side...

What needs to happen is Pakistan sorting out their own internal mess...

I am quite aware of the tensions over Kashmir.

However at the moment we're looking at Diplomatic games.
The Indian Govt is blaming the Paki Govt to deflect internal criticism.

If the Pakistanis threaten to move troops from their Tribal Areas in the West to reinforce their eastern border (which they have done already), it will bring the US into play.

They want the US to lean on India and calm them down.

The fact that Pakistan harbours Muslim militants is accepted, just as the fact that India destabilizes Pakistani Kashmir.

India, Pakistan tread lightly after Mumbai attack

By RAVI NESSMAN – 6 hours ago

MUMBAI, India (AP) — Demands for action are being heard across India amid the anger over last week's rampage in Mumbai by militants accused of coming from Pakistan, but leaders of the two nuclear-armed neighbors are striving to keep tensions in check.

Neither country has the appetite for a fourth war in six decades, and both sides seem to be hoping that U.S. diplomacy — expected to intensify with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's arrival in India on Wednesday — will defuse the situation, analysts said.

"Nobody is talking about military action," Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee said Tuesday, according to the Press Trust of India news agency.

Indian officials blamed the banned Pakistani extremist group Lashkar-e-Taiba for the attack, which killed 172 people and paralyzed India's financial capital for three days.

The government called on Pakistani authorities to take strong action against those responsible and to hand over suspected terrorists believed living in Pakistan. But India stopped short of accusing Pakistan's government of any involvement, a charge it has not hesitated to make in the past.

And from The Times of India today:

New Delhi itself faces the task of overcoming U.S cynicism and manipulation that has accompanied previous American shuttle diplomacy in the region aimed merely at protecting its war on terror on the Afghan front which would be harder to prosecute without Pakistani help.

[Hitcher]

and yet the brits did deliberately target Dresden ......

And the Germans did deliberately target the east end of London.

[Magua]

And the Germans did deliberately target the east end of London.

And an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.

[Hitcher]

And an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.

Two wrongs don't make a right. But three do.

[Scouse]

Maybe the French Resistance didn't target civilians, but the RAF did, and the USAAF, and not by accident either.

What gives us the moral right to condemn terrorists when we did not hesitate to fire bomb German and Japanese cities? How many civilians died as a result of the bombing of Baghdad by Coalition Forces?

I think you will find that that was a case of tit for tat, Luckily for Kiwis they did not experience the Luftwaffe's bombing of major cities like London, Manchester, Liverpool. That's what gave the RAF and the USAF the moral right to reply in kind, try telling me that the Luftwaffe were not targeting innocent civilians and I will laugh in your face.

[mstriumph]

And the Germans did deliberately target the east end of London.

not that i'm excusing that of course but there were strategic docks there whilst there wasn't much at all of anything in dresden except people and magnificent old buildings

....and my post WAS following on from Sarge saying that no civilised country would target (primarily) civilians?


funny - i was born british and grew up there - it never occurred to me we were supposed to be civilised
.... which is prolly why the notion still seems odd to me?

[mstriumph]

I think you will find that that was a case of tit for tat, Luckily for Kiwis they did not experience the Luftwaffe's bombing of major cities like London, Manchester, Liverpool. That's what gave the RAF and the USAF the moral right to reply in kind, try telling me that the Luftwaffe were not targeting innocent civilians and I will laugh in your face.

rumour has it that the first bombs were dropped on london in contravention of hitler's orders - the brits retaliated by bombing berlin and the rest, as they say, is history.

[BIGBOSSMAN]

I've been to Dresden a few times, it's a fucking lovely city. I mentioned Arthur 'Bomber' Harris once, but I think I got away with it.

[Scouse]

what it NEEDED was for the brits not to have gone drawing arbitary lines on other people's maps in the first place.....

*don't mind me - i'm having a bad day .......*

Would you have rather had the Fookin Germans drawing those arbitary lines then?

[Scouse]

and yet the brits did deliberately target Dresden ......

I'll repeat myself here. Just like the Nazi's targeted Liverpool, Manchester and London to name only a few of the British cities and towns decimated by the lufftwaffe. So were is your problem?

[mstriumph]

Would you have rather had the Fookin Germans drawing those arbitary lines then?

it irks me that ANYONE drew them ...... wherever it happened, no matter by whom, the outcome has been less than ideal

i'll say 'bloody colonialists' if it makes you happier?

[mstriumph]

I'll repeat myself here. Just like the Nazi's targeted Liverpool, Manchester and London to name only a few of the British cities and towns decimated by the lufftwaffe. So were is your problem?

no problem here ..... Sarge's operative word in the post i originally replied to was 'civilized' ..... now, i'm not sure if the brits were as civilized as Sarge seems to think we were but i'm damned sure that neither of us believe the nazis were ...?