The best F3 riders?

[roogazza]

Having seen many riders over the years there is one constant in spotting talent - Fast riders are almost always fast from the start. Normally they crash a bit but the speed is there i.e. no more than a second off the pace on a 250 / F3 behind a proven national-level rider after say 6 months of racing.
Just a thought.

I would tend to agree with that, the only exception that springs to mind was the Hiscock boys. In their early days Neville was quick straight out of the box - whilst Dave took longer to learn his trade - but was just as quick at the end.
Maybe old fart could comment - if i got that right , as i was a tender wee thing when all that was going on & maybe talking bollocks. :-)[/QUOTE]
By old fart you mean me ?
Dave was the thinker and Nev the balls. Both fast in their own way, but Dave was better, well we always agreed he was.
Dave had a big off on a TR500 I think ? Broke a femur badly. But once he decided to be "the best", as he put it . He trained and planned and never looked back. Gaz

[roogazza]

Actually, one of the good things about NZ road racing is that older riders like being asked for advice - it's a flattering / respectful thing to do. It's also a free and painless way to learn.
Having seen many riders over the years there is one constant in spotting talent - Fast riders are almost always fast from the start. Normally they crash a bit but the speed is there i.e. no more than a second off the pace on a 250 / F3 behind a proven national-level rider after say 6 months of racing.
Just a thought.

Agree again svr. If you are in that half to one second off the front guys or pole, you are competitive .
Further back and you are just there for the ride !
Well, thats the way we used to think. Gaz.

[lostinflyz]

cant really apply that logic to f3. theres guys on really worked all sorts and bog stock other things and everything in between. its a fair comment when the playing field is all fair. maybe pro twins???

[feral1]

I think there is some talented riders. Williams, Woods, Fitzy, Easton, Nairn and co are the obvious fast ones, they train hard, build up the kit and are very good at what they do. But as far as battlers go on mainly lil'ol 400's I think a guy called Oran Mizarahni from the canterbury club (left back to Israel a year or two ago) was a very fast and SMOOTH rider. Glen Agate from Oamaru is very very smooth and quick on a 400 as well.

I haven't been racing for very long, but it surpises me how some people are just very very talented. My friend, Brendan Gare, rode my ZXR for a bit of fun last year at the Ruapuna endurance event (i was injured) and within 10 laps on my bike was laying down lap times i could only dream of. He kept this pace up for 58 minutes and creamed the feild... wicked

Eric

[svr]

Under that criteria, the fastest VMCC F3 racer would be Bryce Meads ?

Yeah, if mentioning names Bryce Meads and Sam Love are both going fast enough, soon enough.

[svr]

cant really apply that logic to f3. theres guys on really worked all sorts and bog stock other things and everything in between. its a fair comment when the playing field is all fair. maybe pro twins???

Nearly 20 yrs ago bog stock zxr400s used to do flat 16s at manfield (on yokohama 003s...). Who does that now?

[roadracingoldfart]

Having seen many riders over the years there is one constant in spotting talent - Fast riders are almost always fast from the start. Normally they crash a bit but the speed is there i.e. no more than a second off the pace on a 250 / F3 behind a proven national-level rider after say 6 months of racing.
Just a thought.

I would tend to agree with that, the only exception that springs to mind was the Hiscock boys. In their early days Neville was quick straight out of the box - whilst Dave took longer to learn his trade - but was just as quick at the end.
Maybe old fart could comment - if i got that right , as i was a tender wee thing when all that was going on & maybe talking bollocks. :-)[/QUOTE]

I do agree about the famous hizzy brothers lol. Another to spring to mind was Crafer kicking a certain Super Angel team mate 90 % of the time . It didnt matter in the end as Stroud is the great thinker he is and fast as well. Just like Freeth was .
fast wont always win a tritle but it may win a race , 3 yrs ago i won the P/C junior and i think my best place was 2nd but 3rds and 2nds got me the silverware.
The best apprentice to have in a trade is one that has never had a chance to develop bad habits , if you can get a newby into the groove and teach then it can be done. What age did some of the world champs start at ??? not all young.

[roadracingoldfart]

Nearly 20 yrs ago bog stock zxr400s used to do flat 16s at manfield (on yokohama 003s...). Who does that now?

I used to do 1m 17s on an NS 400 R in the late 80s but thats when the track was in good nick , whats your point ??
I did 1m 22s on a CB400/4 and a half so there cant be a comparasin at Manfield now days.

[driftn]

Ain't ya never heard of tables...sheesh.

No. Im not much of a computer geek.

But if I were in this class I would make one hell of an F3 racer.

[Rob Taylor]

No. Im not much of a computer geek.

But if I were in this class I would make one hell of an F3 racer.

Now there is an idea,Huh driftnGood class to get a title in

[racefactory]

Right I see yes the ZXR would probably be the better choice. However are they that reliable? I hear bad things about head gaskets in those... Anyone racing here with a ZXR how has reliability been?


Nothing is as bomb proof as the nc30 Honda V4!

What are the top F3 riders doing around Pukekohe on NC30s/ZXR/FZR? I'd be really interested to know! Cheers...

[lostinflyz]

Right I see yes the ZXR would probably be the better choice. However are they that reliable? I hear bad things about head gaskets in those... Anyone racing here with a ZXR how has reliability been?


Nothing is as bomb proof as the nc30 Honda V4!

What are the top F3 riders doing around Pukekohe on NC30s/ZXR/FZR? I'd be really interested to know! Cheers...

tune up any 20ish year odl 400 and shell be unreliable - unless u spend the dosh. ive had about 4 people ask for vfr400 motors on here that blew them up racing.

check mylaps.com for laps times from last year for the times that f3 guys are doing round puke at nats. a reasonable rider on a 400 will be mid packish.

[Shaun]

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Having seen many riders over the years there is one constant in spotting talent - Fast riders are almost always fast from the start. Normally they crash a bit but the speed is there i.e. no more than a second off the pace on a 250 / F3 behind a proven national-level rider after say 6 months of racing.
Just a thought.[/quote]




Gixxer boy crashed his arse out and Did go fast " I did moons before him" Sam Love Sam Smith- Bla Bla Bugger eh, but true.

Each to there own I guess

[Chrislost]

who's the best rider in the country not riding at the nationals ?

Hmm well I thought Matt Rennie this year was well and truely on the pace.

Hell yes.

he smoked us all at every round, then highsided. in the last race of the season.

[CHET]

Matt Rennie Neil Chapple and myself if i raced in f3 but i only race in posties.
Sorry if this sounds big haeded but its what i think. People to watch in the future Nicksta Chris Fry and Andrew Mcdonald on the fast tzr 250