Rob Gilchrist of Christchurch - you are scum

[Swoop]

Presumably the same rules apply now as back in The War? If a spy is caught he/she may be shot?

"We would just like to welcome all of the representatives of the Illinois Law Enforcement Community, that have chosen to join us here tonight at The Palace Ballroom"

[Paul in NZ]

The trouble with expressing opinions of idiotic places like this is that they are always taken to extreme interpretation - I give up.

[The Lone Rider]

Previous article, that also appeared in print, in April 2008

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4489507a11.html

News video on youtube from the recent tv news

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPTtG9x1hlo

Long Article -
http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/?p=1551#more-1551

[Skyryder]

The trouble with expressing opinions of idiotic places like this is that they are always taken to extreme interpretation - I give up.

No offence was intended but you have been here long enough to know that some of us get passionate about our beliefs and given the opportunity will not hesitate to express our views.......or comment on posts as you have done on many occasions.

I for one enjoy your posts and in most cases I tend to agree with your comments but in this case I am unable to do so. As no one else has commented on your post to date I can only presume that your phase ‘idiotic places like this' is a disguised reference to my self. I would like to think otherwise but can come to no other conclusion

If for any reason you are unable to ‘tolerate’ any form of criticism of your posts then may I politely request that you take one of your “chill pills.”


Skyryder

[SPman]

On that basis , may we take it that the police are also spying on the Business Round Table and the Employers Federation. Who also want to "change the social order" and have been known to mount "disruptive campaigns"

Sorry - they're disbanding the SFO! Fat white pricks with money and influence can do what they like, unhindered by police oversight......

Because once I (or anyone else) accept that freedom is only available to people who say and do things that I agree with, then freedom has lost its meaning.

Freedom, has in fact, ceased to exist


The more laws and order are made prominent,
The more thieves and robbers there will be.
Lao-tzu (604 BC - 531 BC)

[Cajun]

Sorry - they're disbanding the SFO! Fat white pricks with money and influence can do what they like, unhindered by police oversight......

John Key has stoped that from happening at moment, wants to review it or something

[SPman]

Clever bloke that Voltaire & again I agree with you , but there is an element within some of these organisations that does not abide by the law , who is undermining our freedom , the police or the people who seek to overthrow social order ?

How about the common Police and Government use of Agent Provocateurs, to infiltrate groups and incite or physically lead them, to go way beyond what they would normally do, for the express purpose of discrediting them and giving the "authorities" an excuse to step in!

[Paul in NZ]

No offence was intended but you have been here long enough to know that some of us get passionate about our beliefs and given the opportunity will not hesitate to express our views.......or comment on posts as you have done on many occasions.

I for one enjoy your posts and in most cases I tend to agree with your comments but in this case I am unable to do so. As no one else has commented on your post to date I can only presume that your phase ‘idiotic places like this' is a disguised reference to my self. I would like to think otherwise but can come to no other conclusion

If for any reason you are unable to ‘tolerate’ any form of criticism of your posts then may I politely request that you take one of your “chill pills.”


Skyryder

I can certainly tolerate critic's - in fact I encourage it. The idiotic place is the internet - don't get the idea its all about you. Given that you freely admit to deliberately winding people up on websites I doubt I'm going to get too worried about it or wound up.

However - I believe you are trying to take the high moral ground here - Not for sale, passionate about our beliefs - yawn! Why do you think people become informants or spies? Sure, $$ can be a factor but so can passionate beliefs - James Bond is a great guy 'cos hes on our side - the russian spies are fithy traitors to us - heroes to the russians. Maybe this guy had some serious concerns about that was going on - we don't know.

What exactly the police have done anything wrong. Its not like the coppers suddenly rounded the lot of em up and executed them - its entirely possible some has asked them to do some reseach (maybe a crime, sabotage or something - we don't know)

Having snooped about on his PC the grieving lass goes public and the 'movement' decides to out the 'spy' and get the max coverage from it - classic marketing and I don't buy it one little bit. I'll bet a billion beers they have a few moles inside govt depts or corporates feeding them info they are not entitled to.

Values? Oh please - what values? All I see is a whole lot of people on both sides going blah blah blah - we are the good guys, do as we tell you, don't think for yourself

[SixPackBack]

How about the common Police and Government use of Agent Provocateurs, to infiltrate groups and incite or physically lead them, to go way beyond what they would normally do, for the express purpose of discrediting them and giving the "authorities" an excuse to step in!

Work creation and the addition of 'customers' must be a real advantage for the police and government departments.

[scumdog]

Work creation and the addition of 'customers' must be a real advantage for the police and government departments.

We don't need no 'work creation' - fuckwitted ding-a-lings keep us in work without any 'creation' at all.

[Skyryder]

I can certainly tolerate critic's - in fact I encourage it. The idiotic place is the internet - don't get the idea its all about you. Given that you freely admit to deliberately winding people up on websites I doubt I'm going to get too worried about it or wound up.

However - I believe you are trying to take the high moral ground here - Not for sale, passionate about our beliefs - yawn! Why do you think people become informants or spies? Sure, $$ can be a factor but so can passionate beliefs - James Bond is a great guy 'cos hes on our side - the russian spies are fithy traitors to us - heroes to the russians. Maybe this guy had some serious concerns about that was going on - we don't know.

What exactly the police have done anything wrong. Its not like the coppers suddenly rounded the lot of em up and executed them - its entirely possible some has asked them to do some reseach (maybe a crime, sabotage or something - we don't know)

Having snooped about on his PC the grieving lass goes public and the 'movement' decides to out the 'spy' and get the max coverage from it - classic marketing and I don't buy it one little bit. I'll bet a billion beers they have a few moles inside govt depts or corporates feeding them info they are not entitled to.

Values? Oh please - what values? All I see is a whole lot of people on both sides going blah blah blah - we are the good guys, do as we tell you, don't think for yourself

That's where you are wrong this thread is about you and me and the expectation of our privacy if we should exercise our right to join any lawful organization that is engaged in an activity that we disagree with. This is a fundamental expectation of freedom of association. I don’t see any moral high ground here or for that matter any other comments that I have made.......period

There is a big differece in useing taxpayers money to infiltrate protest groups and your 'assumption' that these protest groups are useing private information for their own ends. They may well be but my assumption is that they are not paying for it.

I accept that to date the police have not broken any laws in using Gilchrist to infiltrate protest groups, well at least none that have surfaced, however this in no way condones payment to an individual regardless of his personal beliefs to report on their private lives. And I stress private lives

I am of the opinion in this matter the police are unable to distinguish the difference between an organized crime gang whose members are known for their criminal activity and a protest group.



Skyryder

[Hitcher]

I am of the opinion in this matter the police are unable to distinguish the difference between an organized crime gang whose members are known for their criminal activity and a protest group.

Possibly that because in the cases of the organisations named, there is no difference.

[Skyryder]

Possibly that because in the cases of the organisations named, there is no difference.

Well if you include the Mongrol Mob as a protest group along with the Killer Bees, one percenter biker gangs, and the black power along with the various skin head gangs I'd agree but somehow the Save Happy Valley gang just does not engender the same kind of terror...........well not to me.



Skyryder

[Hitcher]

but somehow the Save Happy Valley gang just does not engender the same kind of terror...........well not to me.

You have the luxury of not operating heavy mining equipment for Solid Energy, or Kiwi Rail, or being an employee of either, particularly one resident on the South Island's west coast.

[rainman]

Possibly that because in the cases of the organisations named, there is no difference.

I was once a member of Greenpeace. And I can assure you it is not an organised crime gang. Both points are also true for the Green Party, which I understand from media reports, has also been spied upon.

Police surveillance of political parties, of whatever hue and persuasion, is an absolute no-no - which hopefully should be obvious to even the most anti-green bigot here. Those responsible should be arse-kicked from here to there and back again. Unfortunately National will not display any leadership in this.