Racing safety issues

[Quasievil]

To many of us excuses about lack of power are just that-excuses!.........cool watching you racing at Wanganui Brett, but with all due respect a lot more than a few extra horsepower separates the mid fielders from the front runners.

Yes the top fielders are of course more talented and have better skills however I dont agree with the excuses scenario, take the full circuit at Manfeild, where there is 3 reasonably long straights, its about horsepower
not just skill in many respects actually, Im not neccesarily talking about me either. Look At Pukekohe and tell me its not about horsepower?
Example, me on my 45.4 hp motard racing you on a GSXR1000 is it skill or HP?
Remember the point, if you are going to restrict those more than 10% off the fastest riders pace then thats fine but having some controls at the same time I think it would be fairer.
45.4 hp on my bike vs some at 70hp there is an distinct advantage.
For example again at the VMCC round 5 I had better skills than many on the corners but the straights they left me for dead.
considering its in the same class and you think its an excuse? its a fact sorry, for me I dont give a toss where I come but I wouldnt want to be excluded due to not being able to keep up to the pace of a $100k super worked on machine ridden by the #4 in USA? is that where you think the NZ racing scence should be? I dont, and as a safety risk if a faster rider cannot get past the tail end charlies safely then thats going to be neglete on his part isnt it, as far as I recall the onus is on the overtaker to execute a safe manouver.

[enigma51]

Yes the top fielders are of course more talented and have better skills however I dont agree with the excuses scenario, take the full circuit at Manfeild, where there is 3 reasonably long straights, its about horsepower
not just skill in many respects actually, Im not neccesarily talking about me either. Look At Pukekohe and tell me its not about horsepower?
Example, me on my 45.4 hp motard racing you on a GSXR1000 is it skill or HP?
Remember the point, if you are going to restrict those more than 10% off the fastest riders pace then thats fine but having some controls at the same time I think it would be fairer.
45.4 hp on my bike vs some at 70hp there is an distinct advantage.
For example again at the VMCC round 5 I had better skills than many on the corners but the straights they left me for dead.
considering its in the same class and you think its an excuse? its a fact sorry, for me I dont give a toss where I come but I wouldnt want to be excluded due to not being able to keep up to the pace of a $100k super worked on machine ridden by the #4 in USA? is that where you think the NZ racing scence should be? I dont, and as a safety risk if a faster rider cannot get past the tail end charlies safely then thats going to be neglete on his part isnt it, as far as I recall the onus is on the overtaker to execute a safe manouver.

I told you fuckers before lack of power is brians excuse now leave it alone! Find your own excuses

[SixPackBack]

Yes the top fielders are of course more talented and have better skills however I dont agree with the excuses scenario, take the full circuit at Manfeild, where there is 3 reasonably long straights, its about horsepower
not just skill in many respects actually, Im not neccesarily talking about me either. Look At Pukekohe and tell me its not about horsepower?
Example, me on my 45.4 hp motard racing you on a GSXR1000 is it skill or HP?
Remember the point, if you are going to restrict those more than 10% off the fastest riders pace then thats fine but having some controls at the same time I think it would be fairer.
45.4 hp on my bike vs some at 70hp there is an distinct advantage.
For example again at the VMCC round 5 I had better skills than many on the corners but the straights they left me for dead.
considering its in the same class and you think its an excuse? its a fact sorry, for me I dont give a toss where I come but I wouldnt want to be excluded due to not being able to keep up to the pace of a $100k super worked on machine ridden by the #4 in USA? is that where you think the NZ racing scence should be? I dont, and as a safety risk if a faster rider cannot get past the tail end charlies safely then thats going to be neglete on his part isnt it, as far as I recall the onus is on the overtaker to execute a safe manouver.

I accept your point of view Brett. The point about the front running $100K super motard is a valid one. For the record I doubt my K6 would stay ahead of your motard around Taupo......... which kind of comes back to my point, talent and experience are just as important if not more so-are they not?
Seeing individuals and friends from KB getting on to the track and giving it a go are payment enough, we are aware of the many issues surrounding racing that start with a level playing field [something that only exists in the upper echelon of racing] and end with exceptionally talented racers that are few and far between.

[McDuck]

I told you fuckers before lack of power is brians excuse now leave it alone! Find your own excuses

I think it is a fair point.... if another bike has a third more hp than yours it will be faster. But there is also the fact that a skilled person may be sponcered bike?

[Quasievil]

interestingly, D Atkins was 1 second off the fastest F1 bike, he would have been dicing with Jared Love and Hayden Fitzgerald

[Shaun]

I thought this thread was about safety issues, not who has the biggest wallet or an illegal bike as you say Quasi. I started the thread out of genuine safety issues, I am sure you can understand that, and leave it alone eh please

[Quasievil]

I thought this thread was about safety issues, not who has the biggest wallet or an illegal bike as you say Quasi. I started the thread out of genuine safety issues, I am sure you can understand that, and leave it alone eh please

That would make it the only KB thread to stay on track.......cant have that can we.

[Shaun]

That would make it the only KB thread to stay on track.......cant have that can we.

I here ya mate, but there are a couple of officual important people reading it, and we really do need to try and stay focused, before our street race scene is shut down for good, due to a lot of the stupid dumb stuff that goes on in the road scene mate.

The 60zzz are well gone!

[Quasievil]

I here ya mate, but there are a couple of officual important people reading it, and we really do need to try and stay focused, before our street race scene is shut down for good, due to a lot of the stupid dumb stuff that goes on in the road scene mate.

The 60zzz are well gone!

Sweet as dude sorry

[crazefox]

yeah, i'm labeled (and rightly so) 'a crasher', but riddle me this...how many events, over what time frame have you done between fucking yourself up beyond all recognition, and wanganui shaun?

This thread is bullshit wrapped in silk. Having a whinge in the name of safety just for the fucking sake of it. Go work for osh, or perhaps get them to sponsor you.

Sad

ha ha your da man drew

[jellywrestler]

maybe if wanganui actually had practice sessions at their meeting riders may be safer over the whole day?????

[Quasievil]

maybe if wanganui actually had practice sessions at their meeting riders may be safer over the whole day?????

They do, two in fact

[jellywrestler]

They do, two in fact

Sorry mate, they're not practice sessions they're qualifying sessions and as such little different to any other race hence riders are not taking the time to learn the circuit and try different set ups/ lines etc instead just going as fast as they can to get a good grid.
Sounds like a race to me!!!!!!!!

[Kickaha]

Sorry mate, they're not practice sessions they're qualifying sessions and as such little different to any other race hence riders are not taking the time to learn the circuit and try different set ups/ lines etc instead just going as fast as they can to get a good grid.
Sounds like a race to me!!!!!!!!

My understanding is the first session is practice the second is qualifying

Two sessions makes it no worse than than what we get for nationals anyway

[sidecar bob]

My understanding is the first session is practice the second is qualifying

Two sessions makes it no worse than than what we get for nationals anyway

Both sessions are timed & count towards qualifying. People will go hard in the first session because conditions may change for the second session (rain, track temp etc) which may result in a slower time.
With regard to the nationals, we have a full two days avaliable prior to race day for practice & setup.
some need it & some dont.