Abolish 70kph learners rule

[Slyer]

It's another year and a half after that before I can ride a 400cc bike.

[FJRider]

It's another year and a half after that before I can ride a 400cc bike.

But you can ride the 250 at 100km's... Thats thing about learning... it takes time to go through all the process. Just live long enough to get there...

[Slyer]

I really wish there was an accurate way of determining how many kilometres you have done.
Say at 5000 you can get your restricted and get your full at around 30000 or something like that.
Anyway, I'm bored of this topic.

[Jantar]

So your first open road with your father (him on a Blackbird) was along the motorway...in the holiday season... .....

If you look at the date of the OP I do believe you'll find it was well before the holiday season.

I am another one against the 70 kmh limit. It was introduced at a time that the open road speed limit was 80 kmh, and the heavy vehicle speed limit was 70 kmh as was a car towing a trailer. When the speed limit was raised from 80 kmh to 100 kmh, the learner limit didn't follow suit, although the heavy vehicle limit and car towing trailer limit both were raised.

One of the arguments often put forward against a higher speed limit just for motorcycles is that it is dangerous to have vehicles travelling at different speeds, yet here is a law that forces learner riders to do something dangerous.

[FJRider]

If you look at the date of the OP I do believe you'll find it was well before the holiday season.

I am another one against the 70 kmh limit. It was introduced at a time that the open road speed limit was 80 kmh, and the heavy vehicle speed limit was 70 kmh as was a car towing a trailer. When the speed limit was raised from 80 kmh to 100 kmh, the learner limit didn't follow suit, although the heavy vehicle limit and car towing trailer limit both were raised.

One of the arguments often put forward against a higher speed limit just for motorcycles is that it is dangerous to have vehicles travelling at different speeds, yet here is a law that forces learner riders to do something dangerous.

Its holiday season all year round in Auckland isn't it... ???
Regardless of when it was introduced... it is still law. If it will be changed at some time...fine. But it has not been changed, yet. Because greater minds than ours, that have the power to change the law, have not yet made that law change... Perhaps a Petition to your local of Minister of transport, might be in order. Or at least a letter asking if it will and when it might be. A letter to an MP is free. NO stamp required.
ASK SILLY QUESTIONS...

Motorcycling is dangerous. If by any chance you want to be on any road, as a learner, with cars, trucks (with trailers), busses, all traveling at 100 km's per hour...with you on a 250, or less... that is dangerous...

[Jantar]

...Motorcycling is dangerous. If by any chance you want to be on any road, as a learner, with cars, trucks (with trailers), busses, all traveling at 100 km's per hour...with you on a 250, or less... that is dangerous...

So how did you learn?

I started with a Jawa 175 that had a top speed of 45 - 50 mph back when the open road speed limit was 55 mph.

[Hoon]

Picture this, you are on your learners, you are riding to work. One country town to another. You are only llowed to travel 70km and a truck is allowed to travel 90. Truck (and trailer) gets sick of travelling behind you doing your legal limit so passes you.... on a corner!!!! I don't really think it is safety at all. Accident waiting to happen if you ask me!

Picture this, you are on your learners, you are riding to work. One country town to another. You are only llowed to travel 70km however you think "screw this learner bullshit, I've got this riding thing sussed and I won't crash", so you speed up to 100kph. Sometime later you misjudge a corner approaching it faster than you thought. Being a learner you lack the experience of dealing with "mistakes" and as a result you momentarily freeze in fear, target fixate on the oncoming vehicle and end up colliding head on with it. This isn't an accident waiting to happen, it DOES happen and costs lives.

However describing worse case scenarios is good for getting across a point of view but is rarely an accurate picture of the real world. They are only the two extremes with the truth lying somewhere in between.

[Slyer]

There is a huge huge difference between someone who is still learning to ride and someone on their learner license.

[Ixion]

Oh yes, indeed. It takes MANY years riding after you graduate off your learners licence before you even start learning how to ride. Nearly half a century since my learners licence , I think I'm just starting to learn how to ride. Long way to go though.Gosh I miss the days just after I got my full when I knew everything there was about riding.

[Slyer]

Cynical old crackpot indeed.

[WhatThe???]

Hey mischief just give cars lots of room, you will be sweet.

Heya mischief??me?? mwahaha...

I try, but man they love to just get right up my exhaust!! ahh!! thats when i think of the stone theory...hehe its ok half the time though

Originally Posted by Brooke
Picture this, you are on your learners, you are riding to work. One country town to another. You are only llowed to travel 70km and a truck is allowed to travel 90. Truck (and trailer) gets sick of travelling behind you doing your legal limit so passes you.... on a corner!!!! I don't really think it is safety at all. Accident waiting to happen if you ask me!

Im with you on that one!

[HamishAhern]

the 70kmh rule is definately required, most learners couldn't successfully navigate a 70km/h corner at 100km/h. I'm not talking about anyone on here, because you guys are petrol heads, I'm talking about the real learners straight out of school.

You got a ticket, boo woo. You should have stuck to the rules. Or at least not follow the L plate rule and you would have been sweet. taken you L plate off and ride like a sensible person. You can even take passengers if you take your L plate off. lol. You need to learn to blend into the roadways without being noticed, cops can spot an idiot with an L plate doing 110kmhr a mile away.

[Ixion]

So how did you learn?

I started with a Jawa 175 that had a top speed of 45 - 50 mph back when the open road speed limit was 55 mph.

See. Classic example. Speed maniac, starting out directly on a large capacity fast bike. Whereas sensible folk like me started on a 125cc Beeza Bantam with a top speed of 40mph.

[Ixion]

Cynical old crackpot indeed.

That I am indeed. Seriously though dude, I'm not meaning to diss you. But at 6000 km, that's what, about 3 months ? , you haven't even BEGUN learning how to ride. You are still at the stage where you don't even know how much you don't know.

And the likeihood of you , and all the others in the same situation, surviving (yes, motorcycling IS dangerous, you can die doing it, and many do) depends to quite a significnat degree on realising this.

[Slyer]

I know!
I know!
We're not even on the same page here.