Junior Post Classic

[SHELRACING]

I'm pretty sure that the Pre 82 - 89 classes are different in the NI anyway could be different again in the SI

Pre 82 Junior up to 600cc and senior 601 to open

Pre 89 Junior is up to 500cc and Senior is 501cc to open

Because the Pre 89 class is so new it's hard to find it documented anywhere. But i have seen it in writing. Just can't remember where

Racing is serious but its still allowed to be and still is fun. The pre 89 class has grown amazingly in the last few years and the amount of older 400s now flooding the grids has made the numbers up . A few more senior bikes are coming through now also but the 2 classes run in the same races with seperate points per class. A small well riden 400 will keep in good stead with a senior bike at some tracks where power is not the answer.
An RGV 250 will do well in the junior class .
To sum up the classes , Junior = up to 600cc and senior is 601cc to open.
Pre 1989 , Pre 1982 , Pre 1972 .
Give it a go Rachprice.... you will love it.

Paul.

[roadracingoldfart]

I'm pretty sure that the Pre 82 - 89 classes are different in the NI anyway could be different again in the SI

Pre 82 Junior up to 600cc and senior 601 to open

Pre 89 Junior is up to 500cc and Senior is 501cc to open

Because the Pre 89 class is so new it's hard to find it documented anywhere. But i have seen it in writing. Just can't remember where

To my knowlege there is no real rules set out for pre 89 , its not a class governed by MNZ as such and the post classic register does not recognise it as a class under their governance.
Sad really as the class is heaps bigger than most people give it credit for and alot of the F3 bikes and such are eligable to race in it.

Chrees Paul.

[roadracingoldfart]

yeah yeah yeah... didnt expect to be interagated, I posted of the top of my head, I was trying to generlise and make a point, sorry next time ill do the reserch before posting.

Ohh not at all matey . Sorry if i offended you
I love to talk about the future of the class and have to admit it is very close to my heart (im old ) . Its an awsome class and it can only grow .
The fact it is sure to be expanded at some time is definatly worthy of discussion . Expansion means the status quo now has indeed got a future .

If you are active in the class now then keep the ball rolling man

Paul.

[roadracingoldfart]

What, me being a fat bastard or you getting yer tits out if I let ya beat me?

Too late ................................................. your fat , accept it.

Now try calling me fat !!!!

[dangerous]

Ohh not at all matey . Sorry if i offended you

ohhh, sorry hehe yeah my reply does come over a bit heated, wasnt ment to, infact I was expecting Kickaha to jump in and correct me

[Billy]

To my knowlege there is no real rules set out for pre 89 , its not a class governed by MNZ as such and the post classic register does not recognise it as a class under their governance.
Sad really as the class is heaps bigger than most people give it credit for and alot of the F3 bikes and such are eligable to race in it.

Chrees Paul.

Pre 89 rules are out and on the MNZ website

[Billy]

I'm pretty sure that the Pre 82 - 89 classes are different in the NI anyway could be different again in the SI

Pre 82 Junior up to 600cc and senior 601 to open

Pre 89 Junior is up to 500cc and Senior is 501cc to open

Because the Pre 89 class is so new it's hard to find it documented anywhere. But i have seen it in writing. Just can't remember where

Pre 89 junior is the same as pre 82.There was a copy circulating stating up to 500 for pre 89 but it was a misprint

[roadracingoldfart]

Pre 89 rules are out and on the MNZ website

And if you ask MNZ for a ruling they give you a contact for Classic Roadracing Register, they say , why ask us . Go figure.

[scracha]

are meaning and i too have wondered when the next "post Classic "date will be determined to allow it in to the class.

Should be a rolling "10 year and over" and "20 years and over" or summit like wot they do in other countries. Keeps the racing far more interesting as new bikes are introduced to the class every year. Think of all the different early 90's shite factory paint colour schemes* we could sacrafice to the kitty litter gods every year.

bike you do , its like myself and many others that used to go into a hypnotic trance when we saw a bike that got out jollies going. For me it was a CB 400/4 which came out in 1974, and it took till 1981 till i could

Yammy Genesis 1000 still give me a chubby. I had a picture of one on my bedroom wall when I was a lad. Only pooftas liked ZXR's, GSXR's and fireblades. I'd race one if I could afford it's appetite for tyres and brake disks (didn't say I'd race one well)


*Yamaha "cocktail pink" anyone?

[sugilite:Me]

Just wondering...Is the reason the South Island is so light in pre89 race bikes because late model machines like that have not been imported there yet?

[Nicksta]

Just wondering...Is the reason the South Island is so light in pre89 race bikes because late model machines like that have not been imported there yet?

ROFL.....
they have, i've seen some come up to race

[dangerous]

Just wondering...Is the reason the South Island is so light in pre89 race bikes because late model machines like that have not been imported there yet?

haha.. na mate, Id say most are still being ridden.
we proberly dont cover the same milage as a gen down here you know weather n all and only one road But more importantly we look after our bikes and we dont stack em up like North Is counter parts are so fond off hehe... this all means less bikes fit for the track

[malcy25]

To my knowlege there is no real rules set out for pre 89 , its not a class governed by MNZ as such and the post classic register does not recognise it as a class under their governance.

errr, nope!

Refer the MNZ news item in Jun 2008 calling for feedback on the pre 89 rules. Those provisional rules were wrtitten by members of the technical committee from the NZPCRA

The feedback was positive and IIRC there were no changes of note to be made to the rules. Further to that I understand they are being adopted and will be in the rule book some time soon.

The concept was originally dreamed up by Ian Dawson who basically handed it over to the NZPCRA a few years ago and they have been working with it since then, though not as a set of rules in a rule book - more watching, and waiting for the interest to gain and get enough mass to work with properly and doing all the associated investigation of componentry/bikes etc to form the basis of the rules.

Some confusion may exist was that until now, there were no pre 89 rules in the MNZ rule book (most of the guys on the tech committee were too busy racing!)....and they got absorbed into pre 82 events at some meetings due to lack of understanding by the event owners. Wanganui and Paeroa effectively for years by the way the supp regs were written, as per the MNZ rule book for Posties Which meant Pre 82 and Pre 72 bikes only (which is fair enough).

The Draft rules also made their way to Aussie, who aligned their cut off's with NZ in NSW NE 1 and NE2 - they took the pre 89 concept and enlivened it, plus added a following period of up to Dec 31st 1995. I believe these will also get adopted nationally at some point in the future.

[malcy25]

And if you ask MNZ for a ruling they give you a contact for Classic Roadracing Register, they say , why ask us . Go figure.

Generally because the POST Classic (not classic - different organisations - the classics don't even recognise jappas) have done the homework which created the rules in the first place and have a far better understanding of the finer details of age of parts etc.

Quote Scracha: "Should be a rolling "10 year and over" and "20 years and over" or summit like wot they do in other countries. Keeps the racing far more interesting as new bikes are introduced to the class every year. Think of all the different early 90's shite factory paint colour schemes* we could sacrafice to the kitty litter gods every year."

Yeah, has been a bit of discussion around this over the years, but generally around the world there has been a sticking to fixed cut off's these cut offs delinaeating the major shifts in bike design. Many riders race posties so their bike does NOT get further obsolete, which a rolling cut off would. However, new age groups get are likely to get added over time (say every 8-10 years) to "group" bikes and technology - like Aussie did with their Ne2 (ie new Era 2 ) class for pre 95. Still achieve a broadly the same aim over time by adding these bikes into the scene.

The rolling age cut off just creates
1) a mishmash of old bikes across an overly wide time scale which just drives the old bikes away as they can't compete against the later (but still old) stuff .
2) Many of the period bikes that give the guys wood, also would end up with later and later model parts until they are just a collection of old parts and not a Pukka Z1 superbike, GSXR's that look like GSXR's, TZ350's that are fast but you need to ride them properly etc. Otherwise you end up with a frame from here, forks from 15 years later etc etc.

One quote I have heard from a rider which I thought was quite good description of the posties from within the posties about the bieks etc was "we are racing old bikes vaguely, not racing vaguely old bikes". The key thing that the posties sseen to subscribe to is preservation of the bikes "a sthey were" and the rules are structured to keep them that way.

[SHELRACING]

Pre 89 junior is the same as pre 82.There was a copy circulating stating up to 500 for pre 89 but it was a misprint

Cheers Billy, I stand corrected the MNZ rules state
Junior class is up to 600cc 4 stroke, 251cc - 430cc 2 stroke.