Police admit shooting innocent 17-year-old

[Swoop]

...and carted around a sawn off shot gun popping off shots...

You are quite correct in that this P-brained moron is the root-cause of all this.
BTW, it was a sawn-off .22 calibre rifle and not a shotgun.
Thank goodness, as well. It would have been a whole lot messier if he had a shotgun and been firing that.

[SixPackBack]

Condolences to both the young lads whanau and to the copper/s involved.

Armed defenders in my book are the 'good guys'-no question, looks like someone may have made a mistake and any blame lays firmly with the fucken psycho running around shooting, stealing and kidnaping-burn the fucker!

[Finn]

Maybe the police helicopter needs a new weapon for the P addicts some sort of grappling hook they can shoot at the stolen cars that shorts out the electrics like you see on films

They already carry a Bushmaster on board but it would be much the same result from the sky.

[The Pastor]

hang on. ive been away and missed all this.

was the kid who was shot standing on the footpath behind the criminal or was he sitting next to him in the stolen car?

[Dilligaf]

So I'm the only one who realises that this "Innocent" has a 16 year old "fiancee" and a two year old child with her.
Innocent my arse! You do the maths.
Not that I am implying that he deserved to die - but the crapola that comes out after - him being called a "role model" and a great guy yada yada.


Hmmmm me jaded much?

[Hitcher]

Hmmmm me jaded much?

I don't see your point. He was a bystander who was shot in error. His family is entitled to grieve his untimely death. Are you saying that young fathers, young Tongans, young courier drivers, young people in work, young sons, young lovers don't deserve public sympathy for being in the wrong place at the wrong time? I hope you're not advocating public extermination of such people.

[Dilligaf]

OKay, my point is that while I think that it is incredibly unfortunate that this young man died (and not the original bag snatcher...thus saving us literally millions not only in keeping in comfort in prison, but also the court costs etc) I find it typical of the media that now we have to have this chest beating and finger pointing.
Even this thread title claims that this young man was innocent. I question that - after reading that he and his fiancee had a child together when she was 14 and he 15. (made even worse perhaps once you also take into consideration the 9 months gestation period). Now forgive me, but legally they have both broken the law. Hardly the "role model" and "innocent" young man that we are being told about.
I pity the police - damned if they do and damned if they don't.

[wbks]

So I'm the only one who realises that this "Innocent" has a 16 year old "fiancee" and a two year old child with her.
Innocent my arse! You do the maths.
Not that I am implying that he deserved to die - but the crapola that comes out after - him being called a "role model" and a great guy yada yada.


Hmmmm me jaded much?

A 14-15 year old that most likely dropped out of school and got a job to support a family would be very deserving of praise, Dilligaf. Thought about it that way? I'm older and I'd about shit a brick if that happened to me... If he is 17 and has a 2 year old kid then it wasn't statutory, they were both underage... But there aren't many on this site that can honestly say they waited for their 16th birthay, or would have waited that long if given a choice...

[Dilligaf]

I hope you're not advocating public extermination of such people.

Oh and let's not get too overdramatic will we? Nowhere at all did I hint of any such idea

[Hitcher]

Now forgive me, but legally that makes him a statutary rapist. Hardly the "role model" and "innocent" young man that we are being told about.

Legally it makes him nothing of the sort. Under New Zealand's laws you are quite within your rights to shag senseless your under-16-year-old girlfriend provided that you too are under 16. You just need to remember to withdraw immediately when you are aged 15 years, 364 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes and 59 seconds or face the full fury of the law.

And I would caution about making defamatory comments about people, particularly those who are unable to defend themselves. While such practices may lead to legal sanction, they are just plain rude.

[SPman]

Same as with the gun, if it's on your hip all the time and a part of protocol then it will just be another tool to use.....

To shoot at a car that won't stop for a minor speed infringement, perhaps....it happened over here last month...

The shooting of an innocent bystander (or bydriver) is every enforcement officers nightmare, and it is tragic that it happened.
The police actions, were the right thing to do in the circumstances and were forced on them by the actions of the looney with the gun!

However, if a member of Joe Public pulled the trigger, a court case would ensue, even if he was ultimately found not guilty. In the Police's case, the same should happen - they are not above the law and the case should be treated as such - even if it is just as a public hearing. Someone not involved, has been killed. This is the right and proper thing to do.

And no - I don't think police should be armed as a matter of course.

[Swoop]

but the crapola that comes out after - him being called a "role model" and a great guy yada yada.

He certainly is a role model. A young chap who is prepared to work to support his future wife and young family, when he could have simply attempted to park himself on the State Life Support System (welfare/WINZ).

[HenryDorsetCase]

He certainly is a role model. A young chap who is prepared to work to support his future wife and young family, when he could have simply attempted to park himself on the State Life Support System (welfare/WINZ).

Uh, I think you will find he is not eligible for any state benefit because he was under 18. I think I am right in saying (but stand to be corrected) that you cant get the dole or nuffink until you are 18.

[Swoop]

Uh, I think you will find he is not eligible for any state benefit because he was under 18. I think I am right in saying (but stand to be corrected) that you cant get the dole or nuffink until you are 18.

I am aware of this, but the point is that he didn't just sit around and expect people to hand him money.

[XxKiTtiExX]

You are quite correct in that this P-brained moron is the root-cause of all this.
BTW, it was a sawn-off .22 calibre rifle and not a shotgun.
Thank goodness, as well. It would have been a whole lot messier if he had a shotgun and been firing that.

I don't know much about guns lol my bad