Unexpected Spanish inquisition
Originally Posted by Patrick
Maybe it's just me, but there seems to be something very wrong with a system that taxpayers have to pay that kind of money per year to keep scum like this alive in relative comfort when said tax payer's average yearly wage is only a tad over half that.......
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes. After that, who cares? ...He's a mile away and you've got his shoes
Forum whore
True, I don't see what the problem is with hard labour and marginal living conditions.
Besides, I'm not saying I have a workable alternative, however I am yet to see supporters of the death penalty show some hard evidence that it is a fair and effective legal tool for a civilised state.
"channellling the Pleideans"
I just can't be arsed (also I should be working) but I am very confident in my view.
You questioned some of my semantic choices above: I ask you to do the same:
what is "Fair and effective"?
What is a "civilised state"?
I thought elections were decided by angry posts on social media. - F5 Dave
"channellling the Pleideans"
that strikes me as quite unethical, and grounds for being disbarred.
I thought elections were decided by angry posts on social media. - F5 Dave
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Fair and effective legal tool you ask?
hmmm, ok, i'll show how it's fair.
the victims, and family no-longer have to live in fear, and they do believe me they do.
A small chance for retribution for the family/victim.
Millions of dollars saved on housing said animals.
there is no chance of escape/parole. (family/victim now has fear of this also removed)
Community and country as whole better off with one less monster in the population to ever, ever have to think about.
Now i've had my turn, show me how this tallies up against them staying alive?
I'll show you how I see the current way of doing things:
The victims, and family live in fear.
Family/victim have no retribution.
We spend millions of dollars, housing, cleaning, feeding and guarding them.
There is always a possibility of escape, or getting parole- a constant fear the families and victims have to endure in the present.
Country is constantly reminded of the pricks existence, during parole, when released, rehabilitation (joke).
As you very well see I am ALL ABOUT THE VICTIM, one of not so many, no bleeding heart here for crimminals.......you do the crime, you know the rules, you know what's going to happen. In my eyes if you take away someone elses rights you immediately lose yours, I fail to see any short-comings there sorry.
Cats land on their feet. Toast lands jamside down.
A cat glued to some jam toast will hover in quantum indecision
Curiosity was framed; ignorance killed the cat
Fix a computer and it'll break tomorrow.
Teach its owner to fix it and it'll break in some way you've never seen before.
Aio ki te Aorangi
thanks for the reassurance, pah, who would do such a thing just to protect their client to the best for their ability... but wouldn't that make the hippocratic oath hypocritical!!!
I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
Hardcore Biker
Of course, the Hippocratic Oath is taken by medical doctors, not by lawyers...
But perhaps there should be a Hippocratic Oath for lawyers.
Aio ki te Aorangi
There is!!! and for scientists and Police and ..... they just call it a different thing, but they're all derived from Hippocrates, or so the net once told me...Of course, the Hippocratic Oath is taken by medical doctors, not by lawyers...
But perhaps there should be a Hippocratic Oath for lawyers.
Forum whore
Seems reasonable to me.
Don't anyone mistake me for a 'bleeding heart criminal lover' though, just look at my contribution to the firearm thread, I'm all NRA at heart. So just because I'm asking tough questions, it doesn't mean I think people should not be punished for such disgraceful behaviour.
I just think state sanctioned execution shouldn't be taken lightly, I just want to see flippant remarks of 'line everyone up and shoot them' justified. I also certainly don't want to see the hangman's noose for a crime someone else commited, so unless someone can categorically protect me from that, I don't want to see capitol punishment dished out here.
Forum whore
Those are good questions. I can only give you a personal, subjective answer to them. I'll try and keep it short seeing as I'm on customer time too, although it frustrates me when people 'can't be arsed' to read threads or explain themselves when I make the effort to do so. It gives their opinions significantly less value imho.
Fair; to not punish the innocent mistakenly. To not overreact to minor crimes for people who can learn the lesson, take their beef and get on with life without committing again.
Effective; purely in the sense of effective crime prevention and/or law enforcement. Does the threat of punishment work as a preventative measure, or does it not?
Civilised state; any state in which barbaric acts are not performed at all, or if performed are done so udner the cold, but just, arm of the state's law as supported by the vast majority of it's citizens. Ergo Texas would be considered civilised, at least by Texan standards.
Forum whore
As a former scientist, I can't say I ever heard of or experienced such a thing. Betetr get that source checked.
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I totally understand your concern here, and due to discussions I have had at previous times I have what I feel to be a viable solution......
To go onto death row- you have to be absolutely, without a doubt guilty. Not just decided by a Jury on pieced together evidence, but by eye-witnesses, video, personal admittance, and absolutely without any chance of a doubt where it can swing either way that you are guilty......So in it's own way it's pretty much flawless (nothings flawless I know that but it's pretty good right?)
This pile would also include repeat rapists (in case they did'nt really do it, if they come back well it's pretty obvious theywere guilty the first time), paedophiles, anyone of any age who randomly assaults other people who cannot defend themselves (think the 15 year old girl and the blind disabled man) the boy that assaulted the female cop, the man running from police who killed the cop in wellington laying road spikes not long ago, the one invovled in the recent incident on the motorway....the list goes on......but you catch my drift.
Rightly used for those who are undoubtedly guilty, and who really, in all honesty, won't be rehabilitated (which is 90% of them)
Cats land on their feet. Toast lands jamside down.
A cat glued to some jam toast will hover in quantum indecision
Curiosity was framed; ignorance killed the cat
Fix a computer and it'll break tomorrow.
Teach its owner to fix it and it'll break in some way you've never seen before.
Aio ki te Aorangi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath
Royal Enfield user
Cheers for the linky...
There's something to be said for there being a Status Quo? Society has moved on somewhat from the 16th Century and unfortunately society has softened along the way, adding isms and ologies to explain, and excuse, why people commit their crimes... Take a look at the graph at the foot of this page http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/abolish.html, (You sent this link... death penalty for murder being abolished in 1965) and then come back and tell me that it wasn't a deterrent...
I'm ok with giving jail time in cases that can't be proven without a doubt, but i'm talking about places that mimic the prisons of third world countries, not the hotels that we provide today...
The thing that gets me is that politicians are making these decisions for us and they aren't exactly from the same planet as most of us (the smackin bill showing how out of touch they are). It would be nice for the citizens of the country to be consulted on the issue of capital punishment. Of the people I have spoken to over the last week or so, since this thread popped up, i'd say (granted it's a kneejerk reaction) that a good 75 - 85 percent have agreed that they would back the reintroduction of capital punishment...
Perhaps Close Up or some other similar program could get the ball rolling, canvass the general public with carefully thought out questions, along with alternatives such as removing arms and the likes... get an awareness that there are alternatives to just sitting back and taking what's desalt out... Why in this climate are these questions not being asked? What are the politicians so scared of? They're currently trying to implement tougher measures and punishments that fit the crime, why not the Death Penalty... aAAAAAAaaaaaaAAzaaaaaaaa
Frederick Wensley , ( brit cop back in the day said in his autobiography that ; vindictive punishments as a rule are not effective punishments, Not quite so well apprieciated is the fact , that the only way to stamp out crime , is to impress on the criminal that you will be caught and punished ..
I think what he was saying here ( in 1931) is that a criminal makes a decition about the risks ...( or in a p addled brain ....no risk analysis )
I fully agree about the Paramramu Hilton, Also I would like to add as I have said many times , you me and the rest here are also guilty , as we let this low wage economy thrive with the results being a whole group of Feral idiots spoiling NZ ,,' see dutch embassys web site ) being now underskilled , under educated and dropped out ,,,, and one presumes they dont give a #$%&'
I will return later have to pick kid up from kindergarten ,,,hence v rushed mail ...
Back soon
Stephen
"Look, Madame, where we live, look how we live ... look at the life we have...The Republic has forgotten us."
Hardcore Biker
The death penalty is an emotive issue, I've argued for it before, and it's one of things you either support or you dont. Discussing it is seriously "banging your head against a brick wall" material.
And as for hard labour in prisons that make siberian gulags look like the hilton? I'm all for it.
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