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    I think we should show support for our Parisian comrades by going on Strike too. I for one think the way the government is handling the current economic crisis (i.e. doing absolutely fuck all) is appalling The French are doin it, most of Eastern Europe are doin it so why aren't we? Time to storm ze beehive?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7857435.stm

    Huge crowds have taken to the streets in France to protest over the handling of the economic crisis, causing disruption to rail and air services.

    Unions said 2.5m workers had rallied to demand action to protect wages and jobs. Police put the total at 1m.

    But despite the show of public support, the strike appeared to be falling short of the paralysis forecast by unions.

    Regional trains and those in and around Paris were hit, and a third of flights from Orly airport were cancelled.

    Forty per cent of regional services were running, train operator SNCF said, and 60% of high-speed TGV services. Three-quarters of metro trains were running in Paris.


    Strikers march in Lyon on 29 January 2009

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    Paris's second airport was heavily hit by the strike, but flights out of the larger Charles de Gaulle hub were experiencing only short delays, AFP news agency said.

    Schools, banks, hospitals, post offices and courts were also hit as workers stayed at home. Officials said just over a third of teachers and a quarter of postal and power company workers were on strike.

    Overall, the government estimated that a quarter of the country's public sector workers had joined the action, which was called by eight major French unions. The unions put the figure higher.

    A spokesman for the CGT union told AFP that 2.5m people across the country had taken part in the day's protests. French police put the number at just over 1m.

    CGT leader Bernard Thibault called on French President Nicolas Sarkozy to recognise the gravity of the situation and "reassess his measures" to deal with the economic crisis.

    In Paris, police said some 65,000 demonstrators had joined a march from the Place de la Bastille towards the centre of the city.

    There were reports of violent outbreaks on the outskirts of the protest as it reached central Paris, with dozens of youths throwing bottles and lighting fires in a main shopping street.

    Police in riot gear charged the youths, pushing them back on to the Place de l'Opera where the crowds were gathering, but the situation remained volatile, AFP said.

    Earlier, some 25,000 to 30,000 people rallied in the city of Lyon, according to organisers and police.


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    In Marseille, organisers and the authorities disagreed, with the former putting the number of demonstrators at 300,000 but the police estimating 24,000 had taken part.

    The protests are against the worsening economic climate in France and at what people believe to be the government's poor handling of the crisis.

    Opposition Socialist Party leader Martine Aubry said people were out in the streets "to express what worries them: the fact that they work and yet cannot make ends meet, retired people who just can't make it [financially], the fear of redundancies, and a president of the Republic and a government that just don't want to change policy".

    According to a 25 January poll by CSA-Opinion for Le Parisien, 69% of the French public backs the strike.

    "I'm tired and frozen after waiting half-an-hour on the platform," commuter Sandrine Dermont told AFP as she arrived by train in Paris.

    "But I'm prepared to accept that when it's a movement to defend our spending power and jobs. I'll join the street protests during my lunch break," she said.

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    Many people are furious that Mr Sarkozy said there was no money left to raise wages and consumer spending power, but nonetheless managed to find billions of euros to bail out floundering French banks, says the BBC's Emma-Jane Kirby in Paris.

    The walk-out has affected transport, education and postal services throughout the country, our correspondent says, and is the biggest one-day strike since Mr Sarkozy took up office.

    With unemployment looking likely to reach 10% next year, she says, the protesters hope he will drop his programme of cost-cutting reforms and focus instead on protecting workers' jobs and wages.

    Commuters at St Lazare station in Paris

    Mr Sarkozy cannot ignore this demonstration of anger, our correspondent adds. Street protests have repeatedly brought down French leaders and Mr Sarkozy does not want his government added to that list of casualties.

    "We want to show how the people are dissatisfied with the situation at the moment," Thierry Dedieu of the CFDT general workers' union told the BBC.

    People had the feeling they were paying for a crisis they were not responsible for, he added.

    But earlier in the week, French Finance Minister Eric Woerth condemned the strike organisers, accusing them of scare-mongering during a time of economic uncertainty.

    "There are other ways to make oneself heard than striking," he said.

    "Blocking a country, preventing transport from working, bothering people when they are still extraordinarily worried and fearful of the future, is adding fear on top of fear, worry on top of worry."
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    Isn't striking to protect your job much like screwing for virginity?
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    Don't see what all the fuss is about personally.. the govt. should just print more money.
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    bollocks

    the frogs aren't happy unless they're marching up and down the champs elysee, it's in their culture to eat cheese and surrender err I mean, protest
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManDownUnder View Post
    Don't see what all the fuss is about personally.. the govt. should just print more money.
    and give it to me, of course
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManDownUnder View Post
    Don't see what all the fuss is about personally.. the govt. should just print more money.
    I can't tell if you are serious... hope not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyer View Post
    I can't tell if you are serious... hope not.
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    Fuckin' froggie cunts. Get back to work!

    They are only truly happy when sitting down with a bottle of wine or when they are on strike, which tends to be every second week.

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    One should invent a name for the phenomenum that requires, in comparatively short order, the expression "cheese-eating surrender monkey" to be included into any discussion involving the French. Something implying limited imagination and ill-informed stereotyping could be appropriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher View Post
    One should invent a name for the phenomenum that requires, in comparatively short order, the expression "cheese-eating surrender monkey" to be included into any discussion involving the French. Something implying limited imagination and ill-informed stereotyping could be appropriate.
    I believe it's know as "The Simpsons phenomenum"

    Similarly, dolphins can be referred to as "Hoop jumping tuna munchers"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mully View Post
    I believe it's know as "The Simpsons phenomenum"

    Similarly, dolphins can be referred to as "Hoop jumping tuna munchers"
    Brilliant! At least I hadn't heard that one a gazillion times before (or indeed once for that matter).

    It's now official. The test will be whether I can recall that the next time CESM appears...
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    Quote Originally Posted by scracha View Post
    I think we should show support for our Parisian comrades by going on Strike too. I for one think the way the government is handling the current economic crisis (i.e. doing absolutely fuck all) is appalling The French are doin it, most of Eastern Europe are doin it so why aren't we? Time to storm ze beehive?
    I suspect this govt is not doing anything concrete, because it has some time on its side. The tsunami of the financial crisis has not yet hit NZ (but will), so the urgency is less immediate - they almost have the luxury of sitting back and picking the best recovery plans from around the world and implement them as and when required.

    Right now, we're not seeing 1000's of jobs being lost in NZ, waves of mortgage foreclosures (there are some, of course) interest rates are now at their lowest level for many a moon (ideal if you're a counter cyclical buyer...) and the government is making noises about keeping people in jobs.

    In many ways, if consumers around the world simply stop buying altogether, then there's actually not a helluva lot we can do to prevent jobs being lost (for example, in dairy).

    If the government are smart, they'll use this as an opportunity to create new markets, which are less discretionary in nature, or where future competitive advantage can be gained when (if) things come right.

    Edit: looks like Allan Bollard has been reading this thread: http://www.stuff.co.nz/4833894a13.html

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    Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite...mon cul! *s'cuse my french*

    However sadly unsubstanciated, this should be the only kind of protesting we should be hearing about...It'd be more effective too me thinks

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    There is some historic evidence to suggest that we actually shouldn't do anything to face the economic crisis. As usual trying to dick around with the market forces is not going to provide a long term solution - you're much more likely just to get your fingers burned.

    Don't change your lifestyle too much, just accept that there's going to be somewhat less money to go around for a while. Sadly, accepting our lot without pissing and moaning excessively doesn't seem to be the strong point about western culture.

    As for striking - it certainly worked wonders for the british car industry.
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