AMCC Presidents Report Feb 09

[Deano]

Re - use of internet for stating claims/complaints etc.

Isn't this better than word of mouth gossip and chinese whispers ?

At least the claim is written for all to see and can be countered by the relevant party. Not so when it is verbal only.

[FROSTY:Me]

When you pay to play in that sandpit, then I think you have the right to expect that the conditions of agreement (Ie a legally binding contract) will be upheld, and not changed half way through at someones whim or discretion.

Unless it stated that could be the case in the aforementioned agreement ?

Sorry mate maybee it was me off topic but Im refering to any meeting held at pukie not to the 07 wangas meeting.

[FROSTY:Me]

This being anonymous thing I can see it has disadvantages if ones comments/suggestions are to be taken seriously.
My earlier comment about asking for and recieving feedback from KBers when I run an event . This is true and the feedback is Bloody brilliant.
I though have the HUGE advantage over AMCC senior management of knowing most if not all of the participants in real life and mostly by their online names.
Mr Costello and his fellow AMCC management don't have that advantage.
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Of course there is a flip side to this and perhaps one they have not concidered.
If John James Bloggs walks up to Mr Costello to offer CONSTRUCTIVE criticism/suggestions there is a real fear of being rediculed, of being given somewhat of a hard time indeed of being labled a trouble maker.with all the fallout from that
By presenting that same suggestion online as JBB for example there isn't the same fear so perhaps as a result a person is more ready to offer these suggestions which may benifit the club in the long term.
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Dare I suggest that perhaps again we have the classic double edged sword.
Yes indeed AMCC has a VERY experienced committee who know exactly what needs to be done to run a meeting.
But that very experience can be a disadvantage when it comes to improvements. Someone seeing the situation through new eyes might see something where an experienced person may not notice an issue any more

[Clivoris]

One of the issues that I find difficult with helping to organise race meetings is dealing with the number of "ideas" that people have about how to do things better. The number of people that actually front up and provide the effort required to make their ideas happen are few and far between. Then they can sit back and moan about how crap everything is. Another version of this is those who turn up once or twice expecting to revolutionise things without taking time to learn why things happen the way they do currently. When they aren't put in charge on the second day, we're shit and they're gone. Like most things in life, we have evolved over time with good reason for how things are. It helps when people take time to learn some of the history, and get some experience to put things in perspective. This also gets "difficult" people willing to take risks and can help evolution continue. We don't have huge financial resources and mistakes need to be avoided. At VMCC we are lucky to have a President who has been with the club for a while and he saves us making a heap of mistakes. He is also willing to make changes as required.
This forum has also provided a large number of the current active committee members and volunteers for VMCC, so no complaints there from me. They are the bloody backbone of the committee and volunteers now. I don't think we would have the Actrix Winter Series without them.

[FROSTY:Me]

One of the issues that I find difficult with helping to organise race meetings is dealing with the number of "ideas" that people have about how to do things better. The number of people that actually front up and provide the effort required to make their ideas happen are few and far between. Then they can sit back and moan about how crap everything is. Another version of this is those who turn up once or twice expecting to revolutionise things without taking time to learn why things happen the way they do currently. When they aren't put in charge on the second day, we're shit and they're gone. Like most things in life, we have evolved over time with good reason for how things are. It helps when people take time to learn some of the history, and get some experience to put things in perspective. This also gets "difficult" people willing to take risks and can help evolution continue. We don't have huge financial resources and mistakes need to be avoided. At VMCC we are lucky to have a President who has been with the club for a while and he saves us making a heap of mistakes. He is also willing to make changes as required.
This forum has also provided a large number of the current active committee members and volunteers for VMCC, so no complaints there from me. They are the bloody backbone of the committee and volunteers now. I don't think we would have the Actrix Winter Series without them.

So would it be fair to summerise- Guys front up or shut up---and a fair few KBers have done just that?

[Clivoris]

So would it be fair to summerise- Guys front up or shut up---and a fair few KBers have done just that?

No and yes. I think a fairer summary is, continue to put ideas up but be prepared to accept that those of us involved are pretty maxed-out just doing what we are currently. Don't be suprised when suggestions for new jobs to do, just slide off those already doing the work. Ideas are good though because when we get a breather, it may be possible to put them in place. And things could always be better. Sometimes new ideas will take time to be taken up by "the old guard", but if we want it bad enough it might mean working away at them from a collaborative position rather than throwing fruit from the sidelines. I'm realistic enough to know that this isn't always possible though, and a shit-deal is a shit-deal, but slagging people off is guaranteed to put them in a non-cooperative frame. Work smart and hard.

KBers have fronted up in the past and continue to do so.

[Clivoris]

The only suggestion I have is that the club nights be held in the Newlands pub - What do you say AJ - Clive

I suspect that something like this would be quite popular wharfy. Get down there and ask them what they would think about holding our committee meeting there 3rd tuesday every month. 6.30 committee meeting then 7.30 for the social side. It would work even better if they have a space where we could play DVD's. The social side of things has atrophied lately.
Thanks for the support.

[race slave]

I have not seen the report ( and nor am I really interested ) but Chris Costello has as much right to express his opinions as anyone else by whatever form of media. My 2 cents worth is that forums can effectively act as kangaroo courts where you are tried, found guilty and executed. Very often without the poor sod having any knowledge of the act.
To demonstrate just what a sad country we have become in recent years I wrote a letter to my local newspaper midway through last year expressing my distaste at the then Government and supporting National party policy. Some less than enlightened soul very emotively wrote in suggesting that comments such as mine should be muzzled,the editor put him in his place and reminded him that we live in a democracy.
Forums such as this very often bring out the very worst emotional nonsense in people, fact.

As usual r taylor has his own overopinionated version on everything, as for your version of the TNL editor putting anyboby in their place that only proved that he is as big a redneck as yourself, if you took the time to read your own drivel you may realise you do not have even the faintest clue to the meaning of democracy.

[White trash]

OK.

Just had a good legthy discussion with the esteemed Mr Costello regarding the (original) issue raised in this thread.

Am Tony has already theorised, Chris had absolutely no idea what went down over a year ago, mearly that the sport has lost another "hands on" man when it comes to the organizing of these extremely time consuming events. We are, as racers and race fans, very lucky there were others in this instance willing to step up to the plate and they certainly excelled thankfully.

He also confirmed that as far as the people having a winge on here about AMCC or more importantly his methods as club president, we are largely annonoymous. Who the hell's going to listen to someone wih no name? I'm inclined to aggree with these sentiments. An option for us that can "do better" is to stand for commitee positions. At least when Chris publishes his very public (and sometimes unpopular)opinions, it has his name at the bottom of the report.

Clives above post regarding people with the best intentions were very much echoed.

That got me thinking a bit about how much I offer my favorite sport also, having taken so much advantage of the good will offered by others over the past couple of years. So I volunteered and my skills will be utilized at the Pukekohe round of the nationals in three or four weeks. This is in adidition to crewing for LG Motorsport at Manfeild, Paeroa and Puke.

[FROSTY:Me]

No and yes. I think a fairer summary is, continue to put ideas up but be prepared to accept that those of us involved are pretty maxed-out just doing what we are currently.

Again mate Im running with an idea here mate -
Rather than harry some poor sod on race day -
( For the record this is the very WORST time to talk to anyone in power in any motorace organisation.)
Why not put it in wrighting ?
Hang on why not type it on on a computer and send it to the club website??

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[Clivoris]

Again mate Im running with an idea here mate -
Rather than harry some poor sod on race day -
( For the record this is the very WORST time to talk to anyone in power in any motorace organisation.)
Why not put it in wrighting ?
Hang on why not type it on on a computer and send it to the club website??

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Good idea.
Letters to the editor of the oily rag will be published and discussed. The contact details for this and committee members are on the website. And very often, things that get discussed on here filter back to the committee as well.

[Robert Taylor]

As usual r taylor has his own overopinionated version on everything, as for your version of the TNL editor putting anyboby in their place that only proved that he is as big a redneck as yourself, if you took the time to read your own drivel you may realise you do not have even the faintest clue to the meaning of democracy.

That may be your opinion but at least Im not sniping and hiding behind the mask of a forum name. The TNL editor correctly intimated that everyone is allowed a voice so I fail to see how the term redneck can apply. Am I also a redneck because I voiced support for the AMCC president who may have been unfairly maligned? Or because I objected to a prolific forum whores low standards of conduct?
Everyone is allowed a voice re how race meetings are conducted but without recourse to very bad standards, misquoting etc. Now please let me return to earning an honest days living.

[race slave]

That may be your opinion but at least Im not sniping and hiding behind the mask of a forum name. The TNL editor correctly intimated that everyone is allowed a voice so I fail to see how the term redneck can apply. Am I also a redneck because I voiced support for the AMCC president who may have been unfairly maligned? Or because I objected to a prolific forum whores low standards of conduct?
Everyone is allowed a voice re how race meetings are conducted but without recourse to very bad standards, misquoting etc. Now please let me return to earning an honest days living.

How heroic, no medal though

[Storeman]

How heroic, no medal though

His hero Rob Muldoon may have given him one during "THINK BIG"

[The Stranger:Me]

That may be your opinion but at least Im not sniping and hiding behind the mask of a forum name.

For gods sake get over yourself.
There are numerous sound reasons for a degree of anonymity.
I challenge you to find one comment or post of mine in which I have lied or told a mistruth.
I have had people on, wound people up and used sarcasm from time to time - that is not lies.

History survives on the Internet long long after you may want it to. I have put far more truth on here than I would have been prepared to if my name was available to all on the Internet - IRD, potential and future employers, Police, the media and anyone else who would seek to use that truth against me.

You have no idea what shape or form the government will take in the future and when or where information will be used by a dictator (or what ever) against you. It's not paranoia - but prudent avoidance.

A huge amount of my medical history is available on the Internet. Google is a powerful tool. I don't want future employment prejudiced because I made it easy for the employer to join the dots.

When young we all did some stupid shit. We all grow up. In your previous world old man these things usually got buried. Thanks to the Internet what you say or do will be recorded for a very loooong time.

You may notice I don't advertise the bikes I own either.
At least 2 people on here have had insurance claims denied due to posts on here, irrespective of the truth of the situation.
Anonymity may help should I find myself in a similar situation. Again prudent avoidance - it's happened twice that I know of.

Now sure you may disagree with most or all of that, but in short stiff shit. That is the way it is, get used to it and move on, because it isn't changing just for you.