Bike vs bike crashes - why so many?

[Oakie]

So I'd be much obliged to all y'all squids (or overly ambitious cruiser riders) out there if, having overcooked a left-hander and found yourself staring down the muzzle of a black GSX1400, you just fuckin' hold your line and let me handle the rest. Ta.

This topic is a little close to the bone for me. If we'd left Chch 3 minutes later on Friday that could well have been the situation we found ourselves in and may have been picking ourselves up off the tarmac (hopefully) instead of picking up from the weeds the wayward cruiser rider who overcooked the left hander.

[rocketman1]

Another one this morning, on one of my favourite roads.

Seriously, what the fuck? How many bike vs bike head-on crashes have we had this summer?

Thoughts?

It is sad to read about this, I don't know the full story about this incident, but is another one too many.
There are dozens of reasons that a rider drifts wide on a corner, but as I and others have written on previous threads on this subject there are ways of avoiding being hit, and that is enter corners slower and wide, cut to the apex, and fast out: if all riders cornered like that there would not be a problem, as riders by virtue of their postion on the road give each other a wide berth
Now dont just read it......... BLOODY do it.

[Dean]

So I'd be much obliged to all y'all squids (or overly ambitious cruiser riders) out there if, having overcooked a left-hander and found yourself staring down the muzzle of a black GSX1400, you just fuckin' hold your line and let me handle the rest.

Ta.

WAIT BLACK GSX1400 does anybody know the name of the person involved on the gsx1400 im hoping its not who i think it is.

[jrandom]

WAIT BLACK GSX1400 does anybody know the name of the person involved on the gsx1400 im hoping its not who i think it is.

Huh?

In this case, it's hypothetical and it's me.

Who are you thinking of?

[pritch]

I've always found that if you're braking as you lean it tends to try to stand you back up...

Maybe that's the universal answer!

Massive amounts of front brake followed by catstrophic highside and you'll be able to wave to the squid/cruiser as they pass harmlessly below you.

This avoidance technique is now copyrighted and fees are payable on a per use basis.

Dunno where you get all that from. My reading suggests GP riders turn in under brakes to get a sharper turn. My recent panic grab at the front brake as I lunged left gave me a real sharp turn which was just fine as that was exactly what was required.

If the front wheel had locked or washed out that might have caused a low side. I've no idea how you extrapolate a high side from that...
Anythings possible but I don't wish to discover this for myself thanks.

Perhaps it's a Triumph thing?

[jrandom]

My reading suggests GP riders turn in under brakes to get a sharper turn.

Everyone does that on the track. Heck, even I do it, so it obviously doesn't imply that one is riding particularly fast.

But for track riding, you brake hard, and then ease off as you tip in, reaching the brakes-off point right about when it's time to crack on the throttle.

carbonhed, I think, is talking about being neutral/cracked-on into a corner, road-riding styles, and then grabbing front brake, which does tend to stand the bike up.

I also don't see how it could lead to a highside, though. Still, the mental image of flying over the oncoming rider is amusing, which I think was the main point.

[Dean]

Huh?

In this case, it's hypothetical and it's me.

Who are you thinking of?

a guy i know with a naked black gsx1400 lives in stanmore bay

[Hitcher]

and then grabbing front brake, which does tend to stand the bike up.

Particularly if the bike has got radial-mounted calipers, twin 320mm front discs, braided lines and one grabs a fist-full, rather than a more discrete two-fingers worth...

[jrandom]

a guy i know with a naked black gsx1400 lives in stanmore bay

Well, do give him my congratulations on his fine taste in motorcycles.

[pritch]

Everyone does that on the track. Heck, even I do it, so it obviously doesn't imply that one is riding particularly fast.

I wasn't trying to suggest I was riding fast but I sure as Hell wanted to turn fast. This wasn't a planned move both the turn and the brake grab could probably be described as "panic". It worked a treat though.

It was a narrow road and I'm not even sure if either of us was on the wrong side of the road but we were much too close for comfort.

[sinfull]

Huh?

In this case, it's hypothetical and it's me.

Who are you thinking of?

I blame the crack !

Everyone does that on the track. Heck, even I do it, so it obviously doesn't imply that one is riding particularly fast.

But for track riding, you brake hard, and then ease off as you tip in, reaching the brakes-off point right about when it's time to crack on the throttle.

carbonhed, I think, is talking about being neutral/cracked-on into a corner, road-riding styles, and then grabbing front brake, which does tend to stand the bike up.

I also don't see how it could lead to a highside, though. Still, the mental image of flying over the oncoming rider is amusing, which I think was the main point.

Increase the rebound and then release the brakes at the apex wooohooo tip it in !!! oh wait or was it the other way round ? Bugger

[Dean]

Well, do give him my congratulations on his fine taste in motorcycles.

Will do, there really really nice bikes. quite big and torquey the whole tourer package.Hes got a yoshi on his and some computor thing he got from colemans that are for gsx1400s i think it was only like $300 he said now he can pull alot more wheelies without trying

[_STAIN_]

My greatest fear in riding today is " Should I Pull Right "......not Bike head-on but Camper Van head-on. So many time we see or hear of them driving unwittingly in the right lane. When faced with swerving to avoid crash their instinct is to pull right, my instinct is to pull left, we come together off the road, on my LHS.

The government would rather sacrifice dozens of us than hurt our tourism industry by denying them the right to drive. Never will you find the true figures of how great this problem is. Big brother is masking it.

[jrandom]

Will do, there really really nice bikes. quite big and torquey...

Yes, you could say that, you could certainly say that...

he said now he can pull alot more wheelies without trying

They wheelie OK off the throttle with just the muffler change.

Not really something I like to do, though. I have very little balance and coordination. Also, wheelies are neither big nor clever.

[Hitcher]

Also, wheelies are neither big nor clever.

Indeed. Somebody I know quite well has recently purchased a naked Italian thing which, I understand, does throttle wheelies in first gear merely by rolling the throttle off and on at 7,000rpm. Or thereabouts. Apparently. What a fucking hoon.