Winter Series rules ...and laps

[Tony.OK]

Okay Im ready to get a bashin, but if there is not enough F1 bikes to make a class then dont do a F1 race, same as any other class if there are not the numbers dont do it........seems obvious to me, is it only a motorcycle event if the F1 class is active ? hardly think so, if F1 want a class then they better get of their arses and attend it eh lol

Love you Eddie

Ya gonna get it now Mr!!!

Its not about us gettin off our arses............we already have. Maybe if they didn't allow chook chasers on the track more people might step up.............bro ya know i'm playin with ya aye
The cross entering has probably got alot to do with lower F1 bike #'s though, as has been said before there's no incentive to move up, look at Choppa last year, he could win on his 600 but chose to move up at the cost of track time to himself......................I wish he hadn't though, I might have a chance then

[Quasievil]

Ya gonna get it now Mr!!!

Its not about us gettin off our arses............we already have. Maybe if they didn't allow chook chasers on the track more people might step up.............bro ya know i'm playin with ya aye
The cross entering has probably got alot to do with lower F1 bike #'s though, as has been said before there's no incentive to move up, look at Choppa last year, he could win on his 600 but chose to move up at the cost of track time to himself......................I wish he hadn't though, I might have a chance then

BWAAAAHHHH, sheesh took a few hours but I got it in the end

have to say you as well many others are incredibly devoted to your sport but I think something is fundamentally wrong if we cant have full feilds in races where there is only one a month, the VMCC would have to be the premium pre season race build up series eh? so where are all the others.

But if a full field of superior motards couldnt be made up, I stand my my comment that in that case it should be canned also.

[Shaun P]

F1/Superbikes is the premier class with the end of the season becoming historically the place where National riders test their machines and the riders in that class get to see where they are at against the top guys. It will never be dropped you are kidding yreself, Motards while popular are a nice to have 'fun' class -kinda like take a kid fishing fun compared with bungee jumping - heart in your throat type fun

[TK3]

F1/Superbikes is the premier class with the end of the season becoming historically the place where National riders test their machines and the riders in that class get to see where they are at against the top guys. It will never be dropped you are kidding yreself, Motards while popular are a nice to have 'fun' class -kinda like take a kid fishing fun compared with bungee jumping - heart in your throat type fun

I would have like to have "taken my son fishing" and watched Darryl Atkins whip the " Premier" class at Wanganui if they had the nuts to let him race them in the Robert Holden Memorial Race.... But they didn't Ha ha

[steveyb]

With regard to different/longer vs shorter races etc.
Back in oh, I think 2003/04 we tried to change things up buy running each meeting with a different format.
Over the previous 10 years or whatever, it was all more or less the same. 3 x 6 lap races on the short track with maybe a reverse track thrown in.
So for two years we tried 3 races, 2 races, one short and one long race, normal track, reverse track, long track, two days, Taupo.
But sooooooo many riders bitched and moaned about it. No, really they did. So the club was more or less forced to go back to the old status quo.
Last year and this we have had/will have long track, Taupo and two day meetings to bring in some variation. So far this seems to be working.
Too many ideas have been tried in the past and have not worked for a variety of reasons or have worked and are now incorporated (such as transponders and staggered grids, they nearly got scrapped too!!).
Keep coming up with ideas, but ask the riders who have been around a while if the idea is new or can actually work.

[Quasievil]

Motards while popular are a nice to have 'fun' class -kinda like take a kid fishing fun compared with bungee jumping - heart in your throat type fun

mmmm how little he knows.
havin riden sportsbikes and now motards is clearly evident to me now how far sportsbike racers are stuck up there own arses with a almost demanded pre madonna like status, premier class what a load of crap, who ever said that was the way it is if not a sportsbike racer ?
national series what 9 bikes running in it .....premier lol .......whatever the last nats round was lucky to have even run with so few entries!!

lastly why are Sportsbike racers so keen on knocking Motards ? both have two wheels and require high level of skills to race them, is there no room for all ??

[TK3]

mmmm how little he knows.
havin riden sportsbikes and now motards is clearly evident to me now how far sportsbike racers are stuck up there own arses with a almost demanded pre madonna like status, premier class what a load of crap, who ever said that was the way it is if not a sportsbike racer ?
national series what 9 bikes running in it .....premier lol .......whatever the last round was lucky to have even run with so few entries!!

Ha ha Don't beat around the bush Quasi tell him what you really think

[scracha]

No because most of the Motard riders dont want dirt sections, and most other classes will bitch about the dirt being dragged onto the main track

No dirt...then it's not Super Motard racing. Durcisez la baisse vers le haut. It can work if the section that rejoins the track is suitably positioned and the worst of the dirt cleaned off.

F1/Superbikes is the premier class with the end of the season becoming historically the place where National riders test their machines and the riders in that class get to see where they are at against

Top 2 or 3 riders aside, from my observations F2 appears to be the "premier" class at the VMCC. Normally more than 35 bikes entered and high level of skill and entertainment. The "National" riders normally just pop in for a play on the last round or 2 before the summer starts. Who gives a toss about history or making the series more accommodating for nationals riders to have a play at the expense of other paying club racers?

Suggestion: If there's only 10 or so litre bikes then why not have the other 25 or so 600 riders racing for F2 points instead of F1?

[Quasievil]

Ha ha Don't beat around the bush Quasi tell him what you really think

Arr fuck em, Im done hearing and getting slags against Motards, comments like retards chook chasers etc as well as a few others are geting out of hand, we are here we pay the same money and are a legitamate class so get over it and that goes right up to the tosser official dude who black flagged the entire Motard field in pit lane at round 5 of the VMCC for a few putting their foot out quoting "this is a road racing event and you shall not stick your foot out" freckin dickhead, it was only motards racing you moron !

Not to mention we aint particulary slow and could dust a few of the bigger capacity/higher HP classes without to much effort on a few tracks.

Ranting now, but thats fine its KB

[Quasievil]

No dirt...then it's not Super Motard racing. Durcisez la baisse vers le haut. It can work if the section that rejoins the track is suitably positioned and the worst of the dirt cleaned off.

Who do you think is going to put some dirt down for us taupo did ages ago?

no-one else will.

besides why do we need it most of us are sweet with it the way it is?

[Tony.OK]

Holy shit Brett.................now look what you've done

A series with no F1.......................

Suddenly I feel unloved and unwanted...

[Quasievil]

Holy shit Brett.................now look what you've done

A series with no F1.......................

Suddenly I feel unloved and unwanted...

mate Im giving it back where deemed appropriate.

[Tony.OK]

mate Im giving it back where deemed appropriate.

And to think I was gonna let you sponsor my F1 season

If I was a 600 rider would you respect me more? rather than bowing down to my superior SuperbikedF1ness

Anyhoo back on topic.......................I'm thinking the 6 lap races are just too short, 7 min on track doesn't give ya a chance to get into the groove really...........the two 10 lap meeting at rnd 6 was good.

[Shaun P]

mmmm how little he knows.
havin riden sportsbikes and now motards is clearly evident to me now how far sportsbike racers are stuck up there own arses with a almost demanded pre madonna like status, premier class what a load of crap, who ever said that was the way it is if not a sportsbike racer ?
national series what 9 bikes running in it .....premier lol .......whatever the last nats round was lucky to have even run with so few entries!!

lastly why are Sportsbike racers so keen on knocking Motards ? both have two wheels and require high level of skills to race them, is there no room for all ??

Haha too easy yre funny hook line and sinker btw I like Motards(No really

[slowpoke]

What if you let the F1 bikes race with the F2 class for no points and we start off the back? That way we can have the oppertunity to ride as much as the F2 riders. We shouldnt get less track time then the F2 boys just because we have bigger BALLS hahahaha

Now there's the best suggestion I've seen so far.

This is a bigger issue than it seems. Look at the average age of our top riders: It's closer to 40 than 20 (Stroud, Clee, Shirriffs etc) and with racers actively discouraged from stepping up to a Superbike the chances of finding another Slight or Stroud or Harris are virtually nil. Even if someone does step up the competition is painfully thin so guys like Choppa and Ed are basically left time trialling rather than having someone to bang handle bars with and learn racecraft.

I don't give a shit about points, I just wanna race as much as I can and don't see why we aren't given the same opportunity as other classes.

Or we could just continue as we are, Superbikes dies as a class, and we are even further from putting on a good show for sponsors/TV etc.