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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Yeah. All dole bludgers should have the 'opinion' portion of their brain removed.
    I agree over opinionated bludgers should also loose the right to vote and ride motorcycles.
    Ive run out of fucks to give

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quasievil View Post
    I agree over opinionated bludgers should also loose the right to vote and ride motorcycles.

    but Skiddy is HANDICAPPED !!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by reofix View Post
    Call for tenders around the world to take our prisoners for the length of their sentence... Bolivia might take a 100 or so to clean their sewers ... only stipulation prisoner must be returned alive at end of sentence... condition apart from that ... immaterial
    Yep that would be the plan.. I believe currently it costs in the region of $60-70K per year to keep the crims in NZ.
    If they went to contract lockup in Bolivia and cost Half that $30-35K per year plus airfair one way the NZ taxpayer is way ahead already. Why complicate matters with stipulations that the crims be returned alive??
    If they don't come back return airfair is a further saving to the NZ taxpayer. TOTAL WIN WIN SITUATION HERE FOR SURE!


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    Shit, Skyryder, it took you 60 posts to make this about John Key being Satan.

    You're slipping, man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyryder View Post
    I personly ...is a sham.


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    I've chopped out the useless stuff for the sake of server space.
    Privately run prisons is not a new idea, and the only reason that Liarbour would not champion it, is that they would see it as giving control to someone else...
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudchucka View Post
    There's a very good reason why the private sector is able to do things cheaper and better than the Govt.... they aren't inflicted with the disease called Government Bureaucracy!
    If bureaucracy is the problem, combat the bureaucracy. I work for a large privately owned corperation and the Government could teach us nothing about bureaucracy!!

    If bureaucracy is the problem why just stop with the Prison Service? Maybe we could have a private Police Force too. (I'll buy shares in the Traffic division and the IRD too if it comes to that!!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clockwork View Post
    If bureaucracy is the problem, combat the bureaucracy. I work for a large privately owned corperation and the Government could teach us nothing about bureaucracy!!

    If bureaucracy is the problem why just stop with the Prison Service? Maybe we could have a private Police Force too. (I'll buy shares in the Traffic division and the IRD too if it comes to that!!)
    Fine, I'll join the traffic branch so long as I get 2% commission on any tickets that I write.

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    Have to admit to being uneasy about privately-run prisons but they exist in other jurisdictions. We should learn from them as to what works and what doesn't.

    Really the core problem is our high imprisonment rate - second only to the USA among OECD countries. Even the Aussies who aren't a tolerant bunch jail less than us. So what's gone wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudchucka View Post
    Fine, I'll join the traffic branch so long as I get 2% commission on any tickets that I write.
    No worries.... I will provide incentive payments (and quotas) but they wont be quite that generous! Gotta see the shareholders right first don'tcha know
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mully View Post
    Plus much fewer "managers" and "supervisors" and "team leaders" with the associated cost.
    Lol I know of Govt departments that have less of this over head rubbish than some private corporations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spudchucka View Post
    Fine, I'll join the traffic branch so long as I get 2% commission on any tickets that I write.
    Hell I know retail stores that don't get as good as that and the works similar in that, all the "customers" figure they know more than you, about every aspect of your job, nothing you ever do is right by management and your have imposable sale targets to reach.
    Its not the destination that is important its the journey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMemonic View Post
    Lol I know of Govt departments that have less of this over head rubbish than some private corporations.
    This is true - however, most of the private companies only have shareholders' money to spend, not my fricken tax dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    I've chopped out the useless stuff for the sake of server space.
    Privately run prisons is not a new idea, and the only reason that Liarbour would not champion it, is that they would see it as giving control to someone else...

    Yep that's the stuff that is too difficult to debate.

    In 2000 to 2005 the Australian company that ran the Auckland remand prison was costing the NZ taxpayer $43000 per prison inmate while Corrections Department costs per prisoner for the same period was $36000. That’s a difference of $7000 dollars per prisoner.

    The Australian company, contracted by a National-led Government in the late 1990s, also provided a reduced service. It refused to admit prisoners after 6.30pm when its day shift staff went home. Now Corrections are running the prison again, prisoners are admitted at night to accommodate those that arrive late from courts or after being transported from another prison.
    National are not talking about the problems that the British system is having with privately run prisons. A survey conducted in 2008 and leaked to the media showed that 10 of 11 Britains private prisons ranked in the bottom quarter of a league table covering 132 prisons. The privately-managed prisons scored badly on security and maintaining order and control.

    The lowest ranked prison was Peterbough prison which has been privately managed for three years. It has a poor record for organisational effectiveness, decency and reducing re-offending. "The Prison Governors Association in Britain is now urging the British government to re-think its policy of allowing private companies to run prisons.

    Bottomline on this is with private prisons there is no incentive for any kind of rehabilitation. If you think Key is giving a toss about the safety of kiwis you had better get your head outa the sand. Hey why not save server space and blip this too................ Beats putting ya head in the sand or into the too hard basket.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mully View Post
    Shit, Skyryder, it took you 60 posts to make this about John Key being Satan.

    You're slipping, man.

    Jeeez you actualy count how long it takes for me to post. Just wait until the salmon start to run..........................you might have to use an abacus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyryder View Post
    Jeeez you actualy count how long it takes for me to post. Just wait until the salmon start to run..........................you might have to use an abacus.

    Skyryder
    Nah, it was easy - the numbers appear on the posts.

    It just doesn't usually take you 60 posts to turn any thread in to a thread about how it's (anything) is National's (generally) or John Key's (specifically) fault.
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