PT racers or thinking about racing PT

**t3mp0r4ry nzr** · 19th March 2009, 19:58

all great points. Personally I think the class is still relatively cheap. Once the bikes are built they have straight forward maintanance schedules and are easy on tyres, also with good resale value.

**svr** · 20th March 2009, 11:26

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

110% CORRECT. So nice to hear that not everyone subscribes to the ''politics of envy'' and that you just uncomplainingly get on with what you have.
It wouldnt matter where the goalposts were reset to, there would still be people whinging.

Now I'm confused - I thought that anyone riding an underspecced `cheap' bike was simply sympomatic of the overwhelming Kiwi predisposition to settle for mediocracy?

**GSVR** · 20th March 2009, 12:27

Originally Posted by svr

Now I'm confused - I thought that anyone riding an underspecced `cheap' bike was simply sympomatic of the overwhelming Kiwi predisposition to settle for mediocracy?

And I thought the 'Politics of Envy" was about streetstock riders and the fact they can just race without all the hassles of having the correct gizmos fitted.

**Robert Taylor** · 20th March 2009, 19:38

Originally Posted by svr

Now I'm confused - I thought that anyone riding an underspecced `cheap' bike was simply sympomatic of the overwhelming Kiwi predisposition to settle for mediocracy?

Thats easy, the country at large got rid of the ''Mother of Mediocrity'' last November. No longer do those that aspire to greater things have to be penalised.

**Robert Taylor** · 20th March 2009, 19:38

Originally Posted by GSVR

And I thought the 'Politics of Envy" was about streetstock riders and the fact they can just race without all the hassles of having the correct gizmos fitted.

Well theres your calling then so you can stop grizzling.

**GSVR** · 20th March 2009, 19:56

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

Well theres your calling then so you can stop grizzling.

Its actually the final frontier for CKTechnical and Ohlins as its the only market you haven't cracked. You'll have to talk some sense into those MNZ officials that don't know anything about suspension.

**oyster** · 20th March 2009, 20:19

A year or two back we conducted a thorough review of the RG 150 to ensure it was safe and suitable for our purpose of introducing and developing young riders. Part of that involved looking at suspension and most critically, it's effect on safety. Robert dyno tested a rear shock, and it came at spot on for our general "one size fit's all" purpose. We also discussed the front end and again, all was fine but with a spec type and volume of fluid which we faithfully use.
Johnny Hepburn (then MNZ) helped out at the track too, "reading" tyre wear etc.
Do you remember helping us with that Rob?

**Robert Taylor** · 20th March 2009, 22:32

Originally Posted by oyster

A year or two back we conducted a thorough review of the RG 150 to ensure it was safe and suitable for our purpose of introducing and developing young riders. Part of that involved looking at suspension and most critically, it's effect on safety. Robert dyno tested a rear shock, and it came at spot on for our general "one size fit's all" purpose. We also discussed the front end and again, all was fine but with a spec type and volume of fluid which we faithfully use.
Johnny Hepburn (then MNZ) helped out at the track too, "reading" tyre wear etc.
Do you remember helping us with that Rob?

Yes I do it was interesting and thankyou for taking the wind out of GSVRs sails!

**GSVR** · 21st March 2009, 08:02

Originally Posted by oyster

A year or two back we conducted a thorough review of the RG 150 to ensure it was safe and suitable for our purpose of introducing and developing young riders. Part of that involved looking at suspension and most critically, it's effect on safety. Robert dyno tested a rear shock, and it came at spot on for our general "one size fit's all" purpose. We also discussed the front end and again, all was fine but with a spec type and volume of fluid which we faithfully use.
Johnny Hepburn (then MNZ) helped out at the track too, "reading" tyre wear etc.
Do you remember helping us with that Rob?

Thanks for that information and Robert for his confirmation.

"one size fits all" is an interesting concept. Sadly it must only work on RG150s.

**cowpoos** · 21st March 2009, 08:24

Originally Posted by GSVR

"one size fits all" is an interesting concept. Sadly it must only work on RG150s.

Gary...stop taking comments out of context.

Frosty...stop trying to reinvent the wheel...get a bke and get on with it...2 or 3 horsepower or 10 for that matter isn't your limiting factor on the track...listening to advice people give you and being objective of your own riding would be much more important!!

**FROSTY:Me** · 21st March 2009, 12:23

Whose grizzling? Open an honest discussion.
But interesting is that 2 current PT riders would convert back and 8 guys currently not riding or at least not a PT bike would build one.
Poos you know full well I cannot race currently. What I can do is look for a class I believe in to get behind and support.

**Robert Taylor** · 21st March 2009, 13:22

Originally Posted by cowpoos

Gary...stop taking comments out of context.

Frosty...stop trying to reinvent the wheel...get a bke and get on with it...2 or 3 horsepower or 10 for that matter isn't your limiting factor on the track...listening to advice people give you and being objective of your own riding would be much more important!!

Of course at no time did anyone brutally suggest ''one size fits all''. Its really just an interpretation to either suit ones vanity or an attempt at accruing ''points''. ( GSVRs )Given that these are low powered machines they will not challenge the frame, suspension and tyres in the infinitely greater way that higher powered machines will. And with few exceptions the rider weights wont be challenging.
Gary, your nit picking is ( frankly ) pathetic. So many words, so little that makes sense.
We did a job to clarify whether a nominated replacement shock ( and no not one of mine ) was suitable, without prejudice. End of story.

**Robert Taylor** · 21st March 2009, 13:28

Originally Posted by FROSTY

Whose grizzling? Open an honest discussion.
But interesting is that 2 current PT riders would convert back and 8 guys currently not riding or at least not a PT bike would build one.
Poos you know full well I cannot race currently. What I can do is look for a class I believe in to get behind and support.

Across the relatively small sampling ( and who are they all? ) its hardly a landslide consensus though Frosty. The bones of the class are sound.

**cowpoos** · 21st March 2009, 13:44

Originally Posted by FROSTY

Poos you know full well I cannot race currently. What I can do is look for a class I believe in to get behind and support.

Nope...didn't have a clue!!

**svracer12** · 21st March 2009, 13:50

Originally Posted by FROSTY

But interesting is that 2 current PT riders would convert back and 8 guys currently not riding or at least not a PT bike would build one.
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yes but 6 said no and 4 said they wouldn't convert. i bet the 2 that said they would probably have bikes that are only set up to the specs in the new rules and don't want to do the rest of the work required. have you thought about the fact that pro twins are running mid to back of the field in f3 and these rules may turn us all into dangerous mobile chicanes for the fast guys.