PT racers or thinking about racing PT

**Tony.OK** · 24th March 2009, 11:03

Originally Posted by GSVR

Wrong. Both bikes just have to complete the same amount of laps at their respective race pace.

Are you saying to measure the tyrewear on a Superbike vs Supersport over a 6 lap race you would have the Superbike lap at the same speed as the supersport. Come on get serious.

Having two bikes doing different things is like comparing apples with peaches.

If one bike is going faster then the tyres are having to work harder, theres a huge difference in forces when taking different speeds into account.
The only way to have a controlled experiment is to have both bikes doing exactly the same thing, and only changing the suspension. The stock bike being the control and the Ohlins equipped bike being the test. Then the only checking to do is with tyre wear for any given amount of laps.

**GSVR** · 24th March 2009, 11:11

Originally Posted by Dom

That means there could be no accurate comparison because you have just changed more than one variable.

Make it real simple Dom. When people talk about tyrewear they measure it in how far they can travel not how fast they get there!

In the case of Protwin if everyone is going slower to complete the race distance then so be it. The reduced tyrewear may be because they are going slower.

I didn't think the class was about making the fastest SV650 possible!

**GSVR** · 24th March 2009, 11:16

Originally Posted by Tony.OK

Having two bikes doing different things is like comparing apples with peaches.

If one bike is going faster then the tyres are having to work harder, theres a huge difference in forces when taking different speeds into account.
The only way to have a controlled experiment is to have both bikes doing exactly the same thing, and only changing the suspension. The stock bike being the control and the Ohlins equipped bike being the test. Then the only checking to do is with tyre wear for any given amount of laps.

Both bikes are doing exactly the same thing completing the same distance as fast as they are capable.

Yeah one gets there alot faster but eats tyres!

**Shaun** · 24th March 2009, 11:17

Originally Posted by GSVR

Make it real simple Dom. When people talk about tyrewear they measure it in how far they can travel not how fast they get there!

In the case of Protwin if everyone is going slower to complete the race distance then so be it. The reduced tyrewear may be because they are going slower.

I didn't think the class was about making the fastest SV650 possible!

Try www.dictionary.com if you are having problems with english dude

**Shaun** · 24th March 2009, 11:19

Originally Posted by GSVR

Both bikes are doing exactly the same thing completing the same distance as fast as they are capable.

Yeah one gets there alot faster but eats tyres!

Yes it does, due to the after market suspension allowing it to be ridden faster.

But if you do want a TRUE tyre test, the bike/s must do the same amount of laps at the same pace to make the test real

**Tony.OK** · 24th March 2009, 11:24

Originally Posted by GSVR

Both bikes are doing exactly the same thing completing the same distance as fast as they are capable.

Yeah one gets there alot faster but eats tyres!

That would make it a suspension test rather than a tyre wear test though.

**Shaun** · 24th March 2009, 11:31

Originally Posted by Tony.OK

That would make it a suspension test rather than a tyre wear test though.

I see you have used the Dictionary Tony

**Tony.OK** · 24th March 2009, 11:36

Originally Posted by Shaun

I see you have used the Dictionary Tony

Hahaa for years I've been reading it upside down.................one day someone turned it over and now life makes much more sence

Ok i'm

Back to regular programming

**Robert Taylor** · 24th March 2009, 11:37

Give up guys this guy cant tell when he is wrong, even though your arguments are on the money.
As best I can recall most racers want to go faster.
Shaun, if I was blessed with maori blood you could call me a Whanker!!!!

**Shaun** · 24th March 2009, 11:40

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

Shaun, if I was blessed with maori blood you could call me a Whanker!!!!

Bugger that, you would just end up with a special grant to make your buisness bigger and pay less tax

**GSVR** · 24th March 2009, 11:46

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

Give up guys this guy cant tell when he is wrong, even though your arguments are on the money.
As best I can recall most racers want to go faster.
Shaun, if I was blessed with maori blood you could call me a Whanker!!!!

Easy to go faster in Protwin yeah just fit better suspension. It will save on tyrewear too! Or possibly even tire wear, tyre-wear, or even tyre whare.

Thanks Sean you going for Hitchers job?

**FROSTY:Me** · 24th March 2009, 11:53

Guys Im not looking to start a fight here.
Every suggestion/rule is there in the effort to reduce costs or attract corperate sponsorship.
The reducing of costs thing is self explainatory. EG a full race system is $1400/ a muffler is $250-400 if you choose to replace it.
The corperate sponsorship thing is The tyres. Ie if they use a control tyre then part of that is a cheaper price for tyres.
But also if the bikes look like bikes joe blogs off the street can buy then perhps Suzuki and co might look to sponsor the class.

**Robert Taylor** · 24th March 2009, 13:52

Originally Posted by FROSTY

Guys Im not looking to start a fight here.
Every suggestion/rule is there in the effort to reduce costs or attract corperate sponsorship.
The reducing of costs thing is self explainatory. EG a full race system is $1400/ a muffler is $250-400 if you choose to replace it.
The corperate sponsorship thing is The tyres. Ie if they use a control tyre then part of that is a cheaper price for tyres.
But also if the bikes look like bikes joe blogs off the street can buy then perhps Suzuki and co might look to sponsor the class.

Exactly! To be frank I dont fancy the chances of sponsorship when retrenchment of existing is happening.

**FROSTY:Me** · 24th March 2009, 14:12

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

Exactly! To be frank I dont fancy the chances of sponsorship when retrenchment of existing is happening.

Robert heres a tricky one for you. the question has 2 parts
1) In YOUR opinion would the "commuter" Ohlins shock you refer to be good enough to improve the handling on a SV to raceable condition.
2) How much would that shock cost in TODAYS money
Ditto the front end
Or in other words in TODAYS financial world How much MINIMUM using your gear to get a SV to what you feel is a safe to race condition. -Based on it being a brand new bike with stock suspenders.

**cowpoos** · 24th March 2009, 18:22

Originally Posted by GSVR

Make it real simple Dom. When people talk about tyrewear they measure it in how far they can travel not how fast they get there!

In the case of Protwin if everyone is going slower to complete the race distance then so be it. The reduced tyrewear may be because they are going slower.

I didn't think the class was about making the fastest SV650 possible!

How many Pheasents could a pheasent plucker pluck if a pheasent plucker could pluck pheasents?????