PT racers or thinking about racing PT

[FROSTY:Me]

mid to back of the feild? Mobille chicanes?-- I must be seeing different lap times to you then.Im seeing PT guys pretty darn close to the front of F3 class.
And just how much slower do you think a PT bike would be in standard trim?
Given that one KBer on a SV ran consistanlty in the F3 top 10 at national level on a factory engine with good suspenders under him.

[Deano]

All I would need to do is pull the PC off, which gave no more HP anyway, just smoothed out a flat spot. Frosty's rules would only save me a further $500 as I wouldn't be getting the cams dialled in. I'm not too bothered either way really.

yes but 6 said no and 4 said they wouldn't convert. i bet the 2 that said they would probably have bikes that are only set up to the specs in the new rules and don't want to do the rest of the work required. have you thought about the fact that pro twins are running mid to back of the field in f3 and these rules may turn us all into dangerous mobile chicanes for the fast guys.

At VMCC last year, 4 out of top 5 were pro twin bikes, behind GW.

3 pro twins finished top 10 at Paeroa. (3rd, 6th and 7th)

[GSVR]

A year or two back we conducted a thorough review of the RG 150 to ensure it was safe and suitable for our purpose of introducing and developing young riders. Part of that involved looking at suspension and most critically, it's effect on safety. Robert dyno tested a rear shock, and it came at spot on for our general "one size fit's all" purpose. We also discussed the front end and again, all was fine but with a spec type and volume of fluid which we faithfully use.
Johnny Hepburn (then MNZ) helped out at the track too, "reading" tyre wear etc.
Do you remember helping us with that Rob?

Of course at no time did anyone brutally suggest ''one size fits all''. Its really just an interpretation to either suit ones vanity or an attempt at accruing ''points''. ( GSVRs )Given that these are low powered machines they will not challenge the frame, suspension and tyres in the infinitely greater way that higher powered machines will. And with few exceptions the rider weights wont be challenging.
Gary, your nit picking is ( frankly ) pathetic. So many words, so little that makes sense.
We did a job to clarify whether a nominated replacement shock ( and no not one of mine ) was suitable, without prejudice. End of story.

So how did the SV650 standard shock shape up on the "dyno" assuming of course you knew what you where looking for. Also who performed any real world tests on tyre wear etc.

Politics of Deception. Just like the controlling costs thread me thinks...

I agree the bones of the class are sound but it could have been alot more accessable if the costs of setting up a competitive bike where reduced.

Only way to prove the point I'm making about tyre wear on the SV650 is to grab two bikes one with good aftermarket suspension and one standard and fit the same tyres/pressure etc and do a full days hard riding on them swapping the riders around each session.

[Robert Taylor]

So how did the SV650 standard shock shape up on the "dyno" assuming of course you knew what you where looking for. Also who performed any real world tests on tyre wear etc.

Politics of Deception. Just like the controlling costs thread me thinks...

I agree the bones of the class are sound but it could have been alot more accessable if the costs of setting up a competitive bike where reduced.

Only way to prove the point I'm making about tyre wear on the SV650 is to grab two bikes one with good aftermarket suspension and one standard and fit the same tyres/pressure etc and do a full days hard riding on them swapping the riders around each session.

Give it a rest for gods sake. Youre like a stuck record playing like one of those annoying TV ads.

The FACT is SV650s are commuter bikes and were never intended for racing and that is why in standard form on the racetrack they are a wobbly jelly, especially from the front end. Even the aftermarket shocks out of the box ( such as my beloved Swedish product ) are valved and sprung for commuter use. Also certain componentry in the engines fails with some regularity when you extract high HP numbers. Just ask Glen and Terry...

Politics of deception.....well that proved a point loud and clear. A whole load of people visted Sams pit that hadnt done so the whole season and we had a few questions from an MNZ official. It was an even ''better'' result considering Sam won the weekend. But the improvement actually came from the other end of the bike. Had the electronics been hooked up ( very possible ) it would have been totally legal because no telemetry was involved. Those that felt most threatened by our elaborate deception certainly didnt enjoy the possibility of the goalposts being moved. How dare engineers keep building better mousetraps!!!

If you were doing tyre testing stock against aftermarket the bike fitted with the good suspension would have to lap as slow as that with oem for it to be a semi conclusive test. But hey make a further twist on words if you so wish.

Buckets.....

[GSVR]

If you were doing tyre testing stock against aftermarket the bike fitted with the good suspension would have to lap as slow as that with oem for it to be a semi conclusive test. But hey make a further twist on words if you so wish.

I and here was me thinking you where a clever guy.

Please explain the logic behind the above statement. If both bikes are ridden as hard as they can and the tyre wear checked against each other this would provide a much closer result of how they would perform against each other (re tyre wear) during a race meeting.

Or are you saying the only advantage the bike with good suspension would have is faster laptimes?

Thanks for the other comments too. Had a bit of a laugh.

[Robert Taylor]

I and here was me thinking you where a clever guy.

Please explain the logic behind the above statement. If both bikes are ridden as hard as they can and the tyre wear checked against each other this would provide a much closer result of how they would perform against each other (re tyre wear) during a race meeting.

Or are you saying the only advantage the bike with good suspension would have is faster laptimes?

Thanks for the other comments too. Had a bit of a laugh.

Twist twist twist ad infinitum
Go away and actually think about it, if you cannot work it out then Im not wasting my time further.
You are in a deep hole so why on earth do you keep digging...................

[GSVR]

The FACT is SV650s are commuter bikes and were never intended for racing and that is why in standard form on the racetrack they are a wobbly jelly, especially from the front end. Even the aftermarket shocks out of the box ( such as my beloved Swedish product ) are valved and sprung for commuter use. Also certain componentry in the engines fails with some regularity when you extract high HP numbers. Just ask Glen and Terry...

The FACT is Glen and Terry dont race Protwin bikes and the SV650 engine has proven itself to be very well made and reliable when left in standard spec.

All engines fail when you take them too far past the manufacters spec in the quest for more power..

[GSVR]

Twist twist twist ad infinitum
Go away and actually think about it, if you cannot work it out then Im not wasting my time further.
You are in a deep hole so why on earth do you keep digging...................

Anyone that doesn't agree with Robert Taylor must be wrong....

[Robert Taylor]

Anyone that doesn't agree with Robert Taylor must be wrong....

Its well known that when people are boxed into a corner with a failing argument they then resort to stupid worn out cliches that you have just quoted. Give up before theres more egg on your face.
Where I have been wrong Ive apologised, fact.

[Robert Taylor]

The FACT is Glen and Terry dont race Protwin bikes and the SV650 engine has proven itself to be very well made and reliable when left in standard spec.

All engines fail when you take them too far past the manufacters spec in the quest for more power..

Yes and yes

[GSVR]

Twist twist twist ad infinitum
Go away and actually think about it, if you cannot work it out then Im not wasting my time further.
You are in a deep hole so why on earth do you keep digging...................

Its well known that when people are boxed into a corner with a failing argument they then resort to stupid worn out cliches that you have just quoted. Give up before theres more egg on your face.
Where I have been wrong Ive apologised, fact.

No comment required here just read back over the thread people!

[Shaun]

Its well known that when people are boxed into a corner with a failing argument they then resort to stupid worn out cliches that you have just quoted. Give up before theres more egg on your face.
Where I have been wrong Ive apologised, fact.

No they don't wanker O- and I heard you do that once




PS MODS, Robert Knows I am joking

[Rcktfsh]

I and here was me thinking you where a clever guy.

Please explain the logic behind the above statement. If both bikes are ridden as hard as they can and the tyre wear checked against each other this would provide a much closer result of how they would perform against each other (re tyre wear) during a race meeting.

Or are you saying the only advantage the bike with good suspension would have is faster laptimes?

Thanks for the other comments too. Had a bit of a laugh.

What part of this are you struggling to understand GSVR, to measure the difference in tyre wear between stock /aftermarket you need a baseline, assuming lap times are quicker with the aftermarket suspension (hardly a huge leap of faith) that would mean lapping at the stock suspension speed to measure realitive tyre wear, hardly rocket science.

[GSVR]

What part of this are you struggling to understand GSVR, to measure the difference in tyre wear between stock /aftermarket you need a baseline, assuming lap times are quicker with the aftermarket suspension (hardly a huge leap of faith) that would mean lapping at the stock suspension speed to measure realitive tyre wear, hardly rocket science.

Wrong. Both bikes just have to complete the same amount of laps at their respective race pace.

Are you saying to measure the tyrewear on a Superbike vs Supersport over a 6 lap race you would have the Superbike lap at the same speed as the supersport. Come on get serious.

[Dom]

Wrong. Both bikes just have to complete the same amount of laps at their respective race pace.

That means there could be no accurate comparison because you have just changed more than one variable.