View Poll Results: Would you enter Pro twinsd under the rules below?/would you convert your current PT t

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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by GSVR View Post
    Wrong. Both bikes just have to complete the same amount of laps at their respective race pace.

    Are you saying to measure the tyrewear on a Superbike vs Supersport over a 6 lap race you would have the Superbike lap at the same speed as the supersport. Come on get serious.
    Having two bikes doing different things is like comparing apples with peaches.

    If one bike is going faster then the tyres are having to work harder, theres a huge difference in forces when taking different speeds into account.
    The only way to have a controlled experiment is to have both bikes doing exactly the same thing, and only changing the suspension. The stock bike being the control and the Ohlins equipped bike being the test. Then the only checking to do is with tyre wear for any given amount of laps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom View Post
    That means there could be no accurate comparison because you have just changed more than one variable.
    Make it real simple Dom. When people talk about tyrewear they measure it in how far they can travel not how fast they get there!

    In the case of Protwin if everyone is going slower to complete the race distance then so be it. The reduced tyrewear may be because they are going slower.

    I didn't think the class was about making the fastest SV650 possible!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony.OK View Post
    Having two bikes doing different things is like comparing apples with peaches.

    If one bike is going faster then the tyres are having to work harder, theres a huge difference in forces when taking different speeds into account.
    The only way to have a controlled experiment is to have both bikes doing exactly the same thing, and only changing the suspension. The stock bike being the control and the Ohlins equipped bike being the test. Then the only checking to do is with tyre wear for any given amount of laps.
    Both bikes are doing exactly the same thing completing the same distance as fast as they are capable.

    Yeah one gets there alot faster but eats tyres!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSVR View Post
    Make it real simple Dom. When people talk about tyrewear they measure it in how far they can travel not how fast they get there!

    In the case of Protwin if everyone is going slower to complete the race distance then so be it. The reduced tyrewear may be because they are going slower.

    I didn't think the class was about making the fastest SV650 possible!



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    Quote Originally Posted by GSVR View Post
    Both bikes are doing exactly the same thing completing the same distance as fast as they are capable.

    Yeah one gets there alot faster but eats tyres!

    Yes it does, due to the after market suspension allowing it to be ridden faster.

    But if you do want a TRUE tyre test, the bike/s must do the same amount of laps at the same pace to make the test real
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    Quote Originally Posted by GSVR View Post
    Both bikes are doing exactly the same thing completing the same distance as fast as they are capable.

    Yeah one gets there alot faster but eats tyres!
    That would make it a suspension test rather than a tyre wear test though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony.OK View Post
    That would make it a suspension test rather than a tyre wear test though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun View Post
    I see you have used the Dictionary Tony
    Hahaa for years I've been reading it upside down.................one day someone turned it over and now life makes much more sence

    Ok i'm

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    Give up guys this guy cant tell when he is wrong, even though your arguments are on the money.
    As best I can recall most racers want to go faster.
    Shaun, if I was blessed with maori blood you could call me a Whanker!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Taylor View Post
    Shaun, if I was blessed with maori blood you could call me a Whanker!!!!


    Bugger that, you would just end up with a special grant to make your buisness bigger and pay less tax
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Taylor View Post
    Give up guys this guy cant tell when he is wrong, even though your arguments are on the money.
    As best I can recall most racers want to go faster.
    Shaun, if I was blessed with maori blood you could call me a Whanker!!!!
    Easy to go faster in Protwin yeah just fit better suspension. It will save on tyrewear too! Or possibly even tire wear, tyre-wear, or even tyre whare.

    Thanks Sean you going for Hitchers job?

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    Guys Im not looking to start a fight here.
    Every suggestion/rule is there in the effort to reduce costs or attract corperate sponsorship.
    The reducing of costs thing is self explainatory. EG a full race system is $1400/ a muffler is $250-400 if you choose to replace it.
    The corperate sponsorship thing is The tyres. Ie if they use a control tyre then part of that is a cheaper price for tyres.
    But also if the bikes look like bikes joe blogs off the street can buy then perhps Suzuki and co might look to sponsor the class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FROSTY View Post
    Guys Im not looking to start a fight here.
    Every suggestion/rule is there in the effort to reduce costs or attract corperate sponsorship.
    The reducing of costs thing is self explainatory. EG a full race system is $1400/ a muffler is $250-400 if you choose to replace it.
    The corperate sponsorship thing is The tyres. Ie if they use a control tyre then part of that is a cheaper price for tyres.
    But also if the bikes look like bikes joe blogs off the street can buy then perhps Suzuki and co might look to sponsor the class.
    Exactly! To be frank I dont fancy the chances of sponsorship when retrenchment of existing is happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Taylor View Post
    Exactly! To be frank I dont fancy the chances of sponsorship when retrenchment of existing is happening.
    Robert heres a tricky one for you. the question has 2 parts
    1) In YOUR opinion would the "commuter" Ohlins shock you refer to be good enough to improve the handling on a SV to raceable condition.
    2) How much would that shock cost in TODAYS money
    Ditto the front end
    Or in other words in TODAYS financial world How much MINIMUM using your gear to get a SV to what you feel is a safe to race condition. -Based on it being a brand new bike with stock suspenders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GSVR View Post
    Make it real simple Dom. When people talk about tyrewear they measure it in how far they can travel not how fast they get there!

    In the case of Protwin if everyone is going slower to complete the race distance then so be it. The reduced tyrewear may be because they are going slower.

    I didn't think the class was about making the fastest SV650 possible!
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