PT racers or thinking about racing PT

[Robert Taylor]

Do you listen to Leighton Smith on Newstalk ZB ???

No but I hear that he is agreeably tory. I do occassionaly watch Parliament TV. New ministers such as Paula Bennett rock!

[Robert Taylor]

Now that suspension, brakes, chassis etc are better racers crash as much as ever. Actually the crashes are worse than ever due to higher corner speeds.
600 production bikes of 20 yrs ago didn't crash as badly or as often as modern 600ss, (as far as I can remember...)
Not saying old rubbish is preferable, just trying to demonstrate a logical point that justifying expensive modifications on the grounds of `safety' is a weak position.

Im a little older than you ( DAMMIT! ) and can remember lots of crashing. The reality is that modern frames and tyres feed a LOT more load into the suspension and its an arguable point that suspension has not kept pace to the same degree.
Why do commuter bikes never intended for the racetrack ( eg SV650, ER6 etc ) come with damper rod forks that is technology that dates back around to approximately the 50s? The answer is simple LOW COST, LOW COST, LOW COST. Put them on the track in standard form and they are a wobbly jelly, even many road riders complain about this issue. That there are some people out there who advocate making no changes to the front defies belief

[Robert Taylor]

Although generally over the word limit, I'm generally impressed with the sheer quality of RT's homework, particularly how he manages to elevate `mere' suspension discussions to new discursive levels, partly by bringing multidisciplinary evidence from hitherto unrelated fields including (but not limited to) Political Economy, Philosophy and Anthropology. Taken as a whole RT's Kiwi Biker `Magnum Opus' to date parrallels that of several formidable 17-19thC theologans who doggedly defended the (irrational) belief in God by producing the most beautiful and extensive tomes of Reason yet written!
Given that RT perhaps has a similar scale battle with this matter I look forward to reading another chapter of intellectual gymnastics tomorrow!

Im dissappointed that you didnt mention that in the face of a couple of regular posters with a somewhat argumentative disposition that I usually manage to reply with polite or semi polite restraint... But I am happy to doggedly defend a fully rational belief in conservative politics!
And happy to entertain!

[Robert Taylor]

22 voters thus far, 12 for status quo. This is a small sampling and to that end it would be interesting to know how many ProTwin riders have not frequented this forum. I.e is there a silent majority? I am saying this not to spurn another argument as such, I am saying that this may be the reality, given also that those with the most to say is a very small sampling and some ( including myself ) neither ride or are likely to ride ProTwins.

[Rob Taylor]

What about letting 2 Valve 750s in to pt as well (max 75hp)or is that getting too hard.That would be Ducati for us

[slowpoke]

In answer to the ( in fact ) small number of site ''bleaters'' ( sorry couldnt think of a less abrasive word ) its fair to clarify that the SV650 and ER6 etc are a whole lot less stable than they should be because they pitch forward violently in the front end under hard braking. On race tracks that is generally known to happen a few times every lap. The front end is always the first thing that should be modified on such bikes. If you do nothing else do the front end!!!

Haha, aint' that the truth, Robert. Deano kindly let me pit in his tent at Paeroa and I had to move his PT SV650, jaysus the front end might as well have had a couple of door closers for forks. With just a rear pit stand in place it would make an excellent rocking horse for the kiddies! Deano has got some serious skills getting the speed he does outta that thing.

Thinking about it now it actually felt just like my CBR after I blew a fork seal at Wanganui. It pushed like a mongrel on corner exit, was unstable under brakes and/or over the slightest road irregularity whilst cornering. It's not unrideable but it's fuggin' unpleasant and does nothing for your confidence.

[cowpoos]

No but I hear that he is agreeably tory. I do occassionaly watch Parliament TV. New ministers such as Paula Bennett rock!

Oh dear...you should!!! and even Micheal Laws on radio live as a good second best...

turn the radio to 1053AM or 1278AM in the mornings from 8:30am...makes for great listening til 12pm while you work.

Rememebr how I told you to join this site [something you may regret...but you got hooked] I was right wasn't I??

[slowpoke]

Rememebr how I told you to join this site [something you may regret...but you got hooked] I was right wasn't I??

It's like a crack habit mate, just 'cos you can't stop doesn't mean you are actually enjoying it!

[cowpoos]

It's like a crack habit mate, just 'cos you can't stop doesn't mean you are actually enjoying it!

Oh...sort of like marrage then???

[Mishy]

But I am happy to doggedly defend a fully rational belief in conservative politics!
And happy to entertain!

Ummm, rational and conservative in the same sentence ? That's a bit like forward thinking and flat earth being used together . . . . . . . . .

[Robert Taylor]

Oh...sort of like marrage then???

Yeah you can short circuit all the miserable years of marriage....just find a woman you dont like and buy her a house.

The forum can be rewarding but also often ''oh dear'' its that proffessional wind up merchant again, or is he really so impaired, etc

[Robert Taylor]

Ummm, rational and conservative in the same sentence ? That's a bit like forward thinking and flat earth being used together . . . . . . . . .

Yep, even have got friends like you that subscribe to misguided socialism!

[Robert Taylor]

What about letting 2 Valve 750s in to pt as well (max 75hp)or is that getting too hard.That would be Ducati for us

Why not and as we are effectively talking about Bears why have all this talk about extra classes when you could incorporate the elite bears classes into the Nationals?

[Rcktfsh]

But I am happy to doggedly defend a fully rational belief in conservative politics!
And happy to entertain!

and yet (according to documentation signed by none less than helen and proudly displayed on your wall) you have lifetime membership to the labour party comrade?

[GSVR]

If all else fails you could just take the tread off topic in a vain attempt to bury the posts that people that don't live on here might have a chance of reading....