PT racers or thinking about racing PT

**GSVR** · 26th March 2009, 18:14

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

Yes and we have those classes.

Financial return is a fact of life for any supplier and what you very very conveniently overlook is that many suppliers who are active in the sport provide a LOT of time out of goodwill. If I personally wanted to earn lots of money I certainly wouldnt be doing what I am doing. Therefore I must like what I am doing, certainly I do get satisfaction out of helping people, very often for no return whatsoever.

Your inference was pathetic and had no basis in fact.

You seem aggitated. Are you sure inference was directed at you? What about the tyre guys they keep selling these tyres that only last a few laps?

Suspension is but a small part in the science of speed!

**Robert Taylor** · 26th March 2009, 18:31

Originally Posted by GSVR

You seem aggitated. Are you sure inference was directed at you? What about the tyre guys they keep selling these tyres that only last a few laps?

Dont insult my intelligence please, I know exactly what you were up to as does every other sane person reading this thread. Yes I am agitated and Im picking you are getting off on it. PATHETIC.

During the VMCC winter series Dennis and I help a lot of people with suspension set up and advice, anyone who asks and it matters not what suspension is fitted. No charge. It is not an inconsiderable cost for us to attend such meetings and the returns happen if we sell something. SO WHAT THE BLOODY HELL IS WRONG WITH THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????

If people choose to purchase tyres for max grip that last only a few laps then that is their call. You clearly choose otherwise, that is again your call. if people want to turn up in the latest HSV Commodore wearing designer gear that is again their call, they may just have earned it the hard way.

**brads** · 26th March 2009, 18:49

Originally Posted by GSVR

You seem aggitated. Are you sure inference was directed at you? What about the tyre guys they keep selling these tyres that only last a few laps?

Suspension is but a small part in the science of speed!

Please feel free to bugger off anytime you like.

**Deano** · 26th March 2009, 18:58

Originally Posted by Rob Taylor

This thread is not really off topic.The topic is about trying to make a class more affordable.Pt at the moment allows 4 valve 650cc. F3 allows the same & also 2 valve 750.,..so why not allow the 2 valve 750 into pt...Come on guys its all about getting motorcycle racing more affordable for Joe average..

How would a Cagiva Raptor go ? Honest question - I know F.A about them.

**GSVR** · 26th March 2009, 19:01

Originally Posted by Deano

How would a Cagiva Raptor go ? Honest question - I know F.A about them.

They would have to be homolagated by MNZ. As long as they don't have any fancy fork internals or other bits. I can't see it being a problem.

**Tony.OK** · 26th March 2009, 19:09

Originally Posted by Shaun

Are you a racer your self or a team helper?

Originally Posted by GSVR

I was a spectator but only really used to go to watch Stroudy race.

So as a spectator have you ever been on track pushing as hard as you can to be passed by a better set up bike?
First thing most would do is go find out why it was better, then decide if thats where you want to be going with your racing. At some point you will find the bikes limits, and maybe still be wanting to go faster, that to most means some money needs to be spent.

I think the biggest issue seems to be from 2 different perspectives.
1: A serious racer dedicated to trying to win no matter the cost
2: A hobbie racer just having fun out there amongst it

Unfortunately there isn't a viable way of separating the two, so there will always be those that feel its not fair.

**slowpoke** · 26th March 2009, 19:25

Originally Posted by Tony.OK

So as a spectator have you ever been on track pushing as hard as you can to be passed by a better set up bike?
First thing most would do is go find out why it was better, then decide if thats where you want to be going with your racing. At some point you will find the bikes limits, and maybe still be wanting to go faster, that to most means some money needs to be spent.

I think the biggest issue seems to be from 2 different perspectives.
1: A serious racer dedicated to trying to win no matter the cost
2: A hobbie racer just having fun out there amongst it

Unfortunately there isn't a viable way of separating the two, so there will always be those that feel its not fair.

Egg-fuggin-zactly!!! 10 pages into it and you've hit the nail on the noggin' fella!

All we need now is MNZ to perform a psych and financial evaluation on each propsective racer and tell us which class we can race in. Righto, SS150's it is then....

**Tony.OK** · 26th March 2009, 19:32

Originally Posted by slowpoke

Egg-fuggin-zactly!!! 10 pages into it and you've hit the nail on the noggin' fella!

All we need now is MNZ to perform a psych and financial evaluation on each propsective racer and tell us which class we can race in. Righto, SS150's it is then....

Nah you'll be sweet in F3 mate

Shit if they do a financial evaluation I'd end up a spectator leaning over the pit wall

**Robert Taylor** · 26th March 2009, 19:37

Originally Posted by slowpoke

Egg-fuggin-zactly!!! 10 pages into it and you've hit the nail on the noggin' fella!

All we need now is MNZ to perform a psych and financial evaluation on each propsective racer and tell us which class we can race in. Righto, SS150's it is then....

I saw Dom racing an MZ250 at Sound of Thunder. I think it was so slow it wasnt able to pitch the forks forward under hard braking, solves that issue. He had fun, racing another MZ250. We had fun watching, it was a similiar pace to cricket.
I think youd maybe be able to forego the safety gear and just wear a bicycle helmet and sunnies. Wear lycra for slipstreaming through the two stroke mist. Bug spatter that can ruin fork seals would no longer be a problem because the closing speed wouldnt exceed maybe 2km/h and if a squadron of bugs landed on the bike they may be able to assist in a little extra forward propulsion.
Clever guys those Czechs. Ive built a TTX36 for a Hyosung, how about one for your MZ Dom?

**GSVR** · 26th March 2009, 19:44

Originally Posted by Tony.OK

So as a spectator have you ever been on track pushing as hard as you can to be passed by a better set up bike?
First thing most would do is go find out why it was better, then decide if thats where you want to be going with your racing. At some point you will find the bikes limits, and maybe still be wanting to go faster, that to most means some money needs to be spent.

I think the biggest issue seems to be from 2 different perspectives.
1: A serious racer dedicated to trying to win no matter the cost
2: A hobbie racer just having fun out there amongst it

Unfortunately there isn't a viable way of separating the two, so there will always be those that feel its not fair.

Dead right and its seems there are plenty of hobby (club) racers but the racing at National level is very thin. Club racers are even reluctant to enter the national round at their home track. Top national level racers don't often race at club level and then only for testing purposes.

The forum is a good place to knock around ideas. I don't race and don't ever intend to. So what are my motives? I want to see the class flourish as it could provide close and exciting racing for riders and spectators alike.

Watching one rider win every race by a long margin is just plain boring.

If someone asks me what it takes to build and race a competitive ProTwin bike I have to be honest. Its not cheap. But its ok if you just want to be a hobby racer and not race competitively.

**Tony.OK** · 26th March 2009, 19:54

Originally Posted by GSVR

I want to see the class flourish as it could provide close and exciting racing for riders and spectators alike.

Agreed.................that could be said about each class nearly, I'm in F1 and can't afford to be up the front even if I thought could be with a better bike, but I don't expect the rules to change because of that.
Every class from SS150 or buckets up will have people that find it expensive, it really comes down to which class you'd like to be in rather than which class you can afford.

**johnsv650** · 26th March 2009, 19:54

we were going to put the ttx in the mz but it didnt fit, okay then a 400 ducati bit it still didnt fit, i guessed it would be worth 5 seconds a lap and be worth about 3 mz's

**gav** · 26th March 2009, 20:01

Originally Posted by johnsv650

we were going to put the ttx in the mz but it didnt fit, okay then a 400 ducati bit it still didnt fit, i guessed it would be worth 5 seconds a lap and be worth about 3 mz's

lol, how did that $100 R6 shock go in the Ducati 600?

**Robert Taylor** · 26th March 2009, 20:15

Originally Posted by johnsv650

we were going to put the ttx in the mz but it didnt fit, okay then a 400 ducati bit it still didnt fit, i guessed it would be worth 5 seconds a lap and be worth about 3 mz's

John I forgot you need 2 for the MZ so that equates to 10 seconds per lap!!