Wellington - The Thursday Night (Summer) Rides

[driftn]

Dont think I'm conveying this right, cant be bothered trying.

Oh come on drew

[quallman1234]

Ride your own ride at a speed that you are comfortable doing.

Rephased. Wasn't quite what i meant. I was just meaning, you shouldn't ride past the speed your comfortable at.
Obviously this guy did, trying to keep up?

You know what i mean =).

[BMWST?]

Different strokes it will have to be then guys, but do the math of an over loaded tyre, then aply more load by braking???

its more likely hte front is carrying the most load going in to a corner too fast.The point is that a lot of run wide corner accidents is due to the rider NOT having the confidence to continue but rather stands up and tries to slow down.Unless you have really misjudged ,you can get around the corner

[Drew]

its more likely hte front is carrying the most load going in to a corner too fast.The point is that a lot of run wide corner accidents is due to the rider NOT having the confidence to continue but rather stands up and tries to slow down.Unless you have really misjudged ,you can get around the corner

I'm well aware of the forces at work and where, while cornering.

Using the brakes while leaning over, asks more of your tyres than not braking. Add that to going faster than normally comfortable and it's pretty simple.

If somebody really quick says they are "lightly" applying the rear brake through a turn, I submit there is no actual braking happening, and the gains are 100% in their head.

[Sully60]

I'm well aware of the forces at work and where, while cornering.

Using the brakes while leaning over, asks more of your tyres than not braking. Add that to going faster than normally comfortable and it's pretty simple.

If somebody really quick says they are "lightly" applying the rear brake through a turn, I submit there is no actual braking happening, and the gains are 100% in their head.

I tend to agree with Deano and the broken Dalton, but I would add that it's not a technique to be applied in isolation(the point will come soon) We're talking about making the line tighter, slowing down may be desirable but the main concern is keeping the machine going where you want it to, agreed?

What choices do you have; lean over further, hmmm ok, use the front brake or chop the throttle , ewwww, shudder! Or apply the back brake.
I agree that all the above methods do result in increased tyre loading when used in isolation to the other controls.

As pointed out earlier it really comes down to the managing the situation so that the bike is set up not to run wide but if things don't work out for whatever reason the applying the back brake with the throttle picked up will tighten the line, washing off speed without loading either end up in a drastic fashion.
We all have to load the tyres up at times, you generally can't get far over that hill without doing it on at least one of the bikes axis, it's just a matter making smooth transitions between the unloaded and loaded states.

[_STAIN_]

Collin / Speedtriple was following. Into corner fine, mid corner fine, for no apparent reason run wide hit barrier. 1. not looking far enough thru corner. 2 .target fixation. 3. speed was not a factor........

[RocKai]

That about sum it up the unknown for me. Sudden curve, TF. Thanks Colin and the guy from Motomart and Mr MV Augusta.

[GrayWolf]

Gotta disagree with that my brother from another mother.

If you are hot into a turn, it stands to reason, asking more again form your rear tyre by braking, will make things worse.

Look through the turn, and business as usual from there.

I agree with deano on this one. Have done this many times with CAUTION. Don't stomp the rear break just apply it ever so slightly.
In saying that every body has a different riding style and what works for some often does not work for others.
At the end of the day you should not be riding so fast that you are running wide in corners anyway.

Don't go too fast into a corner !!!!!

But, once there, have faith in your tyres, look into the corner to where you want to go/be and lean more.

Trailing a bit of back brake can help if you have time, but care is needed so you don't lock it up.

Can I also suggest something else here guys? Riding style, Confidence and faith in the tyres all are a part of that. However the type of bike will also be a huge factor in how you 'extricate' yourself from a hot corner.
Gold Wing etc? There is already a huge amount of mass and inertia energy stored up front and high, that will already be placing a load on the front tyre and suspension with a simple direction change, before braking. A sports bike tends to be short wheelbase and higher seat in its design. That with its steering geometry gives it the ability to 'drop' into corners easier. My own bike is long, low and heavy this by the law of physics means it tends to want to run wide with a noticable tendancy to stand up under heavy braking in fast corners. Deano's suggestion is exactly what I use in a HOT CORNER situation, in fact I will often trail the rear brake in fast corners (We are talking FJ fast here)
Because of my bikes handling characteristics I take an often noticably different line through corners to those on sport bikes. The line, lean angle, speed and gear you choose into a bend also have impact on your choices of modifying your course through the bend.

[ecko_nzed]

That about sum it up the unknown for me. Sudden curve, TF. Thanks Colin and the guy from Motomart and Mr MV Augusta.

Well sounds like you've learned your lesson. I can't offer advice on how to ride fast like Deano or Drew (cos I can't ride fast like deano or drew!), but after being off a bike for 13 years and getting back into it, I found the most useful thing was focus on building my confidence slowly. Thursday nite rides ain't the place to do that, Wednesday nite cruise is much better idea as you can always find someone who's goin about as quick as you. Once you have that confidence it ride at a quicker pace.....do track days!!! ;-)

[Tony & Carolyn]

To those that aspire to ride the TRTNR read an understand ecko nzed post above. This whole ride started out with a group of mates that did their time, paided their rent an enjoyed a good pace with mighty smack talk before an after the shit's an giggles were had.....

[jimbo600]

To those that aspire to ride the TRTNR read an understand ecko nzed post above. This whole ride started out with a group of mates that did their time, paided their rent an enjoyed a good pace with mighty smack talk before an after the shit's an giggles were had.....

Yep back in the day. Everyone had already paid up and there was a cafe at the top selling hot bowls of shame. Deano's repsol has still probably got bits of GSXR paint on it.

[Marknz]

Yep back in the day. Everyone had already paid up and there was a cafe at the top selling hot bowls of shame. Deano's repsol has still probably got bits of GSXR paint on it.

Yeep, those were the days. And I was always last one to the top, and it was great listening to all the Trash talk.

Thanks for the ride up yesterday Mr. J600, enjoyed it. Shame about all the shite on the hill, and what about that hardcore braking/skid mark into the hill side on the waydown? I guess that was the dude who got choppered out on the weekend? And it looked like there had been a two car collision about 3 corners before the top on the U/H side at some point two... yellow markings on the road.

It was good to get a last road ride in before all the plastic gets removed.

Cher cher

[Deano]

, Wednesday nite cruise is much better idea as you can always find someone who's goin about as quick as you.

Yeah no one crashes on TWCNR

[Maki]

Lot's of good advice here, but please be mindful of the following. The people on some of these rides have years, perhaps even decades of experience. They may have done multiple track days or even been actively involved in bike racing. If you are new to biking don't even dream of trying to keep the same pace as these people. The price you pay for overestimating your own skills could be your life or permanent disability. It is not worth it.

Ride at a pace YOU are comfortable with. If you see other people disappearing in front of you, then so be it. They are more experienced and skilled than you are. Keep yourself in one piece and one day you will be at the same level.

[Marknz]

Lot's of good advice here, but please be mindful of the following. The people on some of these rides have years, perhaps even decades of experience. They may have done multiple track days or even been actively involved in bike racing. If you are new to biking don't even dream of trying to keep the same pace as these people. The price you pay for overestimating your own skills could be your life or permanent disability. It is not worth it.

Ride at a pace YOU are comfortable with. If you see other people disappearing in front of you, then so be it. They are more experienced and skilled than you are. Keep yourself in one piece and one day you will be at the same level.