Pakeha world views?

**scumdog** · 31st March 2009, 22:41

Originally Posted by Motu

What about Hippies? We are a minority these days - but some of us still hold fast to the old ideals.Cool,bummer,freaky,dude - the words of our culture are deeply ingrained in modern society.

I've still got my long hair in a draw somewhere....

Actually it's a 'drawer' Mot old chap...

**SARGE** · 31st March 2009, 22:44

Originally Posted by Motu

What about Hippies? We are a minority these days - but some of us still hold fast to the old ideals.Cool,bummer,freaky,dude - the words of our culture are deeply ingrained in modern society.

I've still got my long hair in a draw somewhere....

stinkin hippies

i still have my locks somewhere too.. i was more of a "gritter" though

**scumdog** · 31st March 2009, 22:47

Originally Posted by SARGE

stinkin hippies

i still have my locks somewhere too.. i was more of a "gritter" though

Still as black as ever and as flowing as I want.

**Oscar** · 31st March 2009, 22:48

Originally Posted by Motu

What about Hippies? We are a minority these days - but some of us still hold fast to the old ideals.Cool,bummer,freaky,dude - the words of our culture are deeply ingrained in modern society.

I've still got my long hair in a draw somewhere....

Hippies (even aging ones) don't ride BMW's.

Dentists ride BMW's.

Aging hippies ride aging Triumphs or XS650's.

**Big Dave** · 31st March 2009, 22:55

Originally Posted by scumdog

Still as black as ever and as flowing as I want.

Amateur.

**SARGE** · 31st March 2009, 22:59

Originally Posted by scumdog

Still as black as ever and as flowing as I want.

mines flowing too ...

right down the fuckin sink

**Motu** · 31st March 2009, 23:04

Originally Posted by Oscar

Hippies (even aging ones) don't ride BMW's.

Dentists ride BMW's.

Aging hippies ride aging Triumphs or XS650's.

But if I support a dentist in the lifestyle he's accustomed to - can I ride one too...please? And if I make it sound and handle like a Triumph or XS650 (no,it could never handle that bad) then it's ok to sing a bit of Neil Young inside my helmet....

**Oscar** · 31st March 2009, 23:17

Originally Posted by Motu

But if I support a dentist in the lifestyle he's accustomed to - can I ride one too...please? And if I make it sound and handle like a Triumph or XS650 (no,it could never handle that bad) then it's ok to sing a bit of Neil Young inside my helmet....

Neil Young moved on.
He's the Godfather of Punk.

**candor** · 31st March 2009, 23:53

World view - consciously or mostly unconsciously living by a values set typical of a culture. Causes a bias that will make you fitter for dealing with some issues and less fit for dealing with others - than cultural competitors (that word reflects a Darwin cultural awareness).

Many are severely mongrelised by now. Much poly - euro blending in thinking. Raised with 2 cultures I can simultaneously see and feel the Euro (Scots more than UK) and the Maori view, makes life confusing sometimes.

This is the right course by this value set, but that is by the other one. When both choices appeal equally best to give regard to predominant culture of others impacted by your course of action / proceeding. Or be damned.

I think presenting pictures of two world views endangers of dated stereotypes, as theres much cross pollination here we're not even aware of, and assumptions are not safe - need checking - unless talking of the aged.

But if I had to pick 2 representative pictures
For Maori -Kanohi ki te kanohi sorting a problem or team working eg in kitchen or that typical warm greeting style
Settler descendents - Quarter acre section, 2 kids with furry pet or bagpipes played as Sallies collect or kids scots dancing or doing ballet or encouraged to compete in individual pursuits like piano or sandcastle competition.
To show world view seepage a 3rd - Young Europeans having a body at home, or young Maori getting into status designer labels

**candor** · 1st April 2009, 00:22

Originally Posted by trump-lady

Domestic violence. My agency says the offender is offender and we dont deal with them. Im Maori and this world view doesnt sit well as I think healing a whanau is a whanau process. Its also quite feministic and I dont believe DV equals split families. I believe you can have a couple that just needs the right tools to modify their behaviour....two world views, two perspectives that can cause conflict in my practise.

For example. Positivism.... Individualism..... Cultural reproduction....

I say ignore these words and mulling over cultural "views" or preferences in DV situations and go with the evidence.

If it says these "tools" work as per your cultural view then do it. If it says the "other cultures" view / tool of seperating assaulter from assaulted works -do it.

My understanding of the evidence is that seperation is normally best, and providing tools is typically the weaker long shot intervention. I think this is a common view based on cross cultural global research of long tern outcomes of violent relationships - not just a Western treatment perspective. The stats speak of unacceptable risks and I don't think that is just feminists putting spin on it. Death is hard to fake. And female abusers don't quit easy either.

I've shared this link before, being provided by a murder victim pre her death as a warning and DV education resource to stop complacency. Its sedating and shows its no issue to muck round with -

http://www.angelfire.com/nj3/stoptheviolence/

Be wary of reading Bruce Daniels Police interview transcript / confession at pg bottom (graphic, sad and sickening).

**Dave Lobster** · 1st April 2009, 05:23

Shouldn't more asian views be taken into consideration these days?

There's more of them here than maoris.

Or, don't the asians require the intervention of the social services as much?

**sidecar bob** · 1st April 2009, 06:42

One thing that this thread has highlighted is that Maori still see this country as being occupied by Maori & "Pakeha" whatever they are, whereas the eueopean inhabitants seem to be more of the "we're all kiwi" attitude.
Until Maori change their "world view" this country will remain divided.

**Trudes** · 1st April 2009, 07:20

Sorry Trumplady, have no pictures for you, but thought you might be interested in something I wrote for an essay I completed a few weeks ago. You've probably done something similar, I was asked to give my cultural WV and how it connects to Maori WV. Anyway, might give you an idea for a pic or something (also might give some who find the name Pakeha offensive another way of thinking about it...)

I often feel Pakeha have a confused sense of culture and identity, often having different traditions and values depending upon where their family immigrated from and how long ago. Pakeha culture appears to me to have a noticeable lack of distinctly recognisable and identifiable cultural practices that are unique to Pakeha. Unlike Maori who have customs such as powiri, hongi, tangi, tapu and mana to name a few, Pakeha don’t appear to have anything that is exclusive to Pakeha culture. Maori also have their own language and distinct objects that are identifiably Maori such as tiki, moko, poi and marae for instance, Pakeha do not have things that are instantly recognised as Pakeha. Pakeha culture seems to me to be a mix of English traditions that have been adapted to suit a different country with a different climate and geography and some Maori culture and themes that have been adopted depending upon circumstance.

I feel Pakeha often differ in how much they have incorporated Maori culture into their way of life by embracing being a Pakeha and become a part of Aotearoa New Zealand. The name Pakeha is a Maori name for European New Zealanders and as Mike Grimshaw (cited in Mikaere, 2004, p.7) reasoned ‘I am Pakeha because I live in a Maori country’. Mikaere supported that statement by stating that nowhere else in the world can someone be Pakeha than in Aotearoa New Zealand. I feel the name Pakeha is often a source of misunderstanding and even shame amongst Pakeha people, often depending upon what their understanding of what the name means and what it stands for. I embrace the name Pakeha given to me by Maori as I find it does give me a sense of identity and belonging within Aotearoa New Zealand. I don’t consider myself English, Irish or Scottish because my ancestors came from there. I know only Aotearoa New Zealand as my home and because I am not Maori, but of European decent, I am Pakeha. I also acknowledge the role my race played in the marginalisation and oppression of Maori, however as Mikaere (2004, p.7) alleged, it is up to Pakeha to decide whether we continue to link the name Pakeha with that of the oppressor or whether we wish to turn that around by supporting Maori in their aspirations, embrace tikanga Maori and have some pride in the name Pakeha. I believe the reason I have accepted being Pakeha has a lot to do with the connections I made with Maori culture when I was younger.

**Jantar** · 1st April 2009, 07:48

Originally Posted by Trudes

..... I know only Aotearoa New Zealand as my home and because I am not Maori, but of European decent, I am Pakeha. ......

This also applies to 100% of the people who call themselves Maori. As long as terms such as Maori and Pakaeha are used to diffrentiate between New Zealanders of many generations then there will be a racial divide. It is one being fostered by the mixed race calling themselves Maori on to the mixed race who the Maori call Pakeha.

I am a New Zealander, neither Maori nor Pakeha.