Huntly, we have a problem...

[Shaun P]

who is that then? yourself the ohlins dealer and maybe the Yoshimura dealer? that adds up to two by my calculations.

Dude give it up you are getting nowhere and your opinions are not shared by anyone else who considers themselves a serious racer. There are other classes that cater for less expensive suspension mods, but allow some mods to get a balance to the bike.

Also put it into perspective if we are talking superbike/ss here the allowed suspension mods are a small cost compared to the cost to set up a bike, tyres, fuel, travel etc.

Also there are alot of trackdays around now to cater for non serious std bikes in any form so I dont really see the point of your personal attacks.

[CHOPPA]

Production races should be about the riders and their motorcycles, and not the performance accessories industry for fuck sake we are in a recession. the young up and coming riders that do not have substantial sponsorships who earn less than $30,000 per year can not afford expensive suspension and engine mods, this is why in road racing the field is dwindling.

I can understand what you are saying and maybe you cant break into the top 5 or something but i can assure you if someone has the ability to ride theres nothing stopping them doing extremely well on a bog stock standard bike. The suspension and cost thing is more of an excuse people use because but i dont see anyone actually giving it a go at racing on standard bikes so if the rules were changed i doubt they would be there as well.

My point is you can win a club day on a standard bike but you still only see maybe 5 1000cc bikes at a club day...

Id like to see the rules with totally standard engines as this is where the money lies. I purchased a insurance write off of the latest 600 for 7k spent 5k on the best suspension and put some race glass and an exhaust on it. Thats 15k.

Suspension is approx 5k and in the big picture if thats the only mod you have to do then great!

Motor work to get 200hp.... Maybe 20k...

[Scouse]

I can understand what you are saying and maybe you cant break into the top 5 or something but i can assure you if someone has the ability to ride theres nothing stopping them doing extremely well on a bog stock standard bike. The suspension and cost thing is more of an excuse people use because but i dont see anyone actually giving it a go at racing on standard bikes so if the rules were changed i doubt they would be there as well.

My point is you can win a club day on a standard bike but you still only see maybe 5 1000cc bikes at a club day...

Id like to see the rules with totally standard engines as this is where the money lies. I purchased a insurance write off of the latest 600 for 7k spent 5k on the best suspension and put some race glass and an exhaust on it. Thats 15k.

Suspension is approx 5k and in the big picture if thats the only mod you have to do then great!

Motor work to get 200hp.... Maybe 20k...

I agree with you Slone I have also mentioned engine mods in my posts as well as suspension, my point is that some of the young guys struggle to afford their bike so to expect them to fork out another 5k for suspension that's a quarter of the value of the whole fooking bike that's still quite a lot of dosh when most the young guys are lucky if they are earning 30k, and possibly paying off a hp loan on their bikes.

[scracha]

Actually...Now that I think about it. I'd second that.

Do we really want another motorcycle racer (put) in that position? Not all great footballers make good football managers you know.

[Robert Taylor]

This interaction of which you speak. At what power level is a motorcycle considered to be "high powered" ? and what year did motocycles become modern?

I would hazard a guess to say that theres possibly less than a handful or less in New Zealand that understand these interactions and by there own admition its more an experimental than exact science. Lucky riders have you guys looking after them or there would be carnage!

No need to split hairs as such but if the said motorcycle has enough power or chassis deficiencies to constantly screw tyres then work is required. There is no exact line in the sand.
Yes indeed only a handful understand at the highest level, that is why we have had successful seminars and why we will also help anyone that asks. Heck if Id managed to charge for a lot of intellectual property and empirical knowledge that I have passed on Id be wealthy. Try getting a suspension tuners help for free in the first world economies....
The science is a little bit more precise than you intimate, its just that there are those of us always pushing the boundaries to find better settings. And there are those who want to take that element away, at the top level.
As someone else has said we are in a recession, all the more reason to be doing your best to prolong tyre life, one of the biggest single ongoing costs with high performance motorcycles. Fact.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Piss off your only worried that if Pav has his way you will loose business because every thing will be stock standard and suspension Mods amongst many other expensive modifications will not be allowed in order to keep the cost down, this has got to be better than what is happening now. Look if all you need is a standard bike, then this will allow the likes of young guys who don't have any sponsor money, to compete on a level playing field. All they will need is the $20,000 bike. at the moment the sport is very elitist with only those that have sponsors with deep pockets are able to place in the top rankings. Stewart needs to realise that the sport needs privateers to be able to compete. if this means that after market parts dealers are a casualty of this, tough shit.

While I agree that a production class running within a class at club level is certainly option I feel looking into to make club racing more accessible I don't feel that national level race classes are in need of that change.

How ever, I beg to differ from the above highlighted sentence. At the moment I feel everyone Thinks they need huge sponsors and the latest and greatest to win. This maybe true for Nationals, but the idea of nationals is supposed to be the creme of NZ racers fighting it out and the riders 99.9% of the time have earned their ride.
At a club level I know for a fact that someone can go out on a 5 year old bike and win, so long as they have the abilities to do so. On another note I feel the riders abilities go far beyond just being able to ride a bike. A good rider with the right attitude and determination will do what ever it takes to succeed with their racing, and people who know what they are on about will see that, people that have no clue will think they have just been given it. I don't know of ANY top level racer in NZ that hasn't worked there damned hardest to get where they are, and people need to shut the hell up, stop winging about it being to hard to win and fight for it if they want it.

It is certainly not entirely an elitist sport, some just see it that way.

I agree with you Slone I have also mentioned engine mods in my posts as well as suspension, my point is that some of the young guys struggle to afford their bike so to expect them to fork out another 5k for suspension that's a quarter of the value of the whole fooking bike that's still quite a lot of dosh when most the young guys are lucky if they are earning 30k, and possibly paying off a hp loan on their bikes.

If a young rider works hard, has the determination and drive to succeed and obviously skill on a bike, it will be recognised and they will be supported. I know this for a fact as I am young(er) broke as ever, giving racing my best damn shot and the amount of support I have received is just phenomenal.

People need to stop winging, stop 'dumming down racing' and stop expecting everything on a platter. HTFU and earn your ride if you want it that bad.

[Robert Taylor]

I can understand what you are saying and maybe you cant break into the top 5 or something but i can assure you if someone has the ability to ride theres nothing stopping them doing extremely well on a bog stock standard bike. The suspension and cost thing is more of an excuse people use because but i dont see anyone actually giving it a go at racing on standard bikes so if the rules were changed i doubt they would be there as well.

My point is you can win a club day on a standard bike but you still only see maybe 5 1000cc bikes at a club day...

Id like to see the rules with totally standard engines as this is where the money lies. I purchased a insurance write off of the latest 600 for 7k spent 5k on the best suspension and put some race glass and an exhaust on it. Thats 15k.

Suspension is approx 5k and in the big picture if thats the only mod you have to do then great!

Motor work to get 200hp.... Maybe 20k...

Its not only the initial cost of building the engine Sloan, the lifespan between stripdowns gets extended enormously as there is much less stress on the components, especially from higher revs. Race exhausts and mapping would still be neccessary, both in terms of replacement cost if it slides down the road and to smoothen the power curve so it doesnt destabilise the chassis too much.

[brads]

Piss off your only worried that if Pav has his way you will loose business because every thing will be stock standard and suspension Mods amongst many other expensive modifications will not be allowed in order to keep the cost down, this has got to be better than what is happening now. Look if all you need is a standard bike, then this will allow the likes of young guys who don't have any sponsor money, to compete on a level playing field. All they will need is the $20,000 bike. at the moment the sport is very elitist with only those that have sponsors with deep pockets are able to place in the top rankings. Stewart needs to realise that the sport needs privateers to be able to compete. if this means that after market parts dealers are a casualty of this, tough shit.

Couldnt be more wrong there,making everything standard will NOT level the playing field,the fast guys will be faster,the old story of "if only I had the same bike as him" is usaually said by people who are looking for excuses as to why they are not beating peaple they said they would.
Making the rules completely standard is bullshit.With front and rear suspension mods,slip on exhaust,pc,brake lines and no motor mods you can be more than competitive,if you know how to ride.

[Maarty]

Piss off your only worried that if Pav has his way you will loose business because every thing will be stock standard and suspension Mods amongst many other expensive modifications will not be allowed in order to keep the cost down, this has got to be better than what is happening now. Look if all you need is a standard bike, then this will allow the likes of young guys who don't have any sponsor money, to compete on a level playing field. All they will need is the $20,000 bike. at the moment the sport is very elitist with only those that have sponsors with deep pockets are able to place in the top rankings. Stewart needs to realise that the sport needs privateers to be able to compete. if this means that after market parts dealers are a casualty of this, tough shit.

You are a mooron!

When did this become about Robert?
Robert has had the pleasure of dealing with Paul Stewart for many years, as have I, and for a tosser like you to hijack a thread about a hugely respected member of our road race family to have a dig at another highly respected family member shows what a complete arse-wipe you are.
Paul was a true gentleman ,and in his own strange way, so is Robert. Stop making your party political broardcasts and get back to the real issue here. Without Paul, Guy, Jim and Jim, were are on a very slippery slope indeed.
As for Red Fenton, I think he would have enough intergrity to remove himself from conflict should it involve his team, He is a good guy. With Stroudy they could be a new force!
Finally, good on you Robert for not biting at such ignorant slanderious suggestions and good on you and everyone else for showing your support for Paul Stewart. A good and decent man put in an untenable position!

[brads]

who is that then? yourself the ohlins dealer and maybe the Yoshimura dealer? Oh I forgot and Paul Stewart who is the father inlaw of the Yoshimura dealer that adds up to three by my calculations.

Shit, and heres me thinking that MAT MLADIN IMPORTS is the yoshi importer

[Scouse]

You are a mooron!

When did this become about Robert?
Robert has had the pleasure of dealing with Paul Stewart for many years, as have I, and for a tosser like you to hijack a thread about a hugely respected member of our road race family to have a dig at another highly respected family member shows what a complete arse-wipe you are.
Paul was a true gentleman ,and in his own strange way, so is Robert. Stop making your party political broardcasts and get back to the real issue here. Without Paul, Guy, Jim and Jim, were are on a very slippery slope indeed.
As for Red Fenton, I think he would have enough intergrity to remove himself from conflict should it involve his team, He is a good guy. With Stroudy they could be a new force!
Finally, good on you Robert for not biting at such ignorant slanderious suggestions and good on you and everyone else for showing your support for Paul Stewart. A good and decent man put in an untenable position!

Here's a hint, if you don't know how to spell "moron" don't use it to call someone a "moron" as you only make yourself look like a "retarded foolish moron" and complete fuckstain for doing so. You could try using words with fewer letters in them so that your pea sized brain is given some chance to get your message across, without looking like a total dick-wad. Oh and by the way you started the name calling so don't start sniveling about it.

[Maarty]

Here's a hint, if you don't know how to spell "moron" don't use it to call someone a "moron" as you only make yourself look like a "foolish moron" and complete fuckstain for doing so. Oh and by the way you started the name calling so don't start sniveling about it.

'O', please add in the required places!
I stand by my comments though.

[Scouse]

I stand by my comments though.

What with a zimmer frame?

[cowpoos]

It is certainly not entirely an elitist sport, some just see it that way.

Great post Glen...its so impressive how much you have matured over the last few years I've known you.

anyway...I'm going to make a statement.

the SOME that see it as a elitist sport...do need to get over it...they DO NOT have what it takes...they are making excuse's for being slow.

The sad truth is...is that as far as motorcycle racing goes, like any sport...you either have the talent...which comes out very quickly...and progress's fast...or you don't!! so if you don't...stop crying not fair...and start enjoying your sport...and get used to not winning!!
Thats the hard truth...no amount of slow laps will make you fast!!

So if that slow person is you...think about it!!

[cowpoos]

Here's a hint, if you don't know how to spell "moron" don't use it to call someone a "moron" as you only make yourself look like a "retarded foolish moron" and complete fuckstain for doing so. You could try using words with fewer letters in them so that your pea sized brain is given some chance to get your message across, without looking like a total dick-wad. Oh and by the way you started the name calling so don't start sniveling about it.

Not being able to spell a word...doesn't mean he can't say it...how oes that work.


anyway...we should get back on subject.

and...just what are you credentials on this subject...its well known who many of the others are who are posting on this thread.