Huntly, we have a problem...

[Robert Taylor]

Not being able to spell a word...doesn't mean he can't say it...how oes that work.


anyway...we should get back on subject.

and...just what are you credentials on this subject...its well known who many of the others are who are posting on this thread.

It is a shame both when people hide behind a shroud and get nasty with heavy use of expletives when backed into a corner. Thats not ''holier than thou'', its just that there are still some standards that should be upheld. I use such language from time to time, the decent thing is knowing where its not appropriate to use it.
But back onto subject....as I understand it Paul Stewart resigned in part because the unpaid time he expended was impinging more and more on his fulltime paid work. But predominantly he resigned because he was getting heaps of interference from above despite the fact he was working democratically and somewhat diligently within his brief. Inarguably he had a very very good grasp of his subject.
I know it and a good many others know it that the problem is at the top. There is a lack of understanding that when you are in that position you are the spokesperson for the democatically agreed policies within MNZ. If that fact cannot be accepted then its not appropriate to continue in such a position.

[cowpoos]

Oh yes if I were you robert taylor I would be very carefull about disscussing someones confidential employment status on an open internet forum.

I think i know why your so emotive about this....and that is the reason why your opinions are now probally now to be taken with a grain or two???

Found this in another thread

Hi All Manukau City / South Auckland Bikers

Justs a quick plug for my good freind and CEO of Motorcycling New Zealand
Paul Pavletich. Paul has put himself up for the Manukau city Mayoralty.

Paul Pavletitch the CEO of MNZ is a very Close personal freind of mine He took the Job at Mnz Because he is passonate about motor cycles and has a genuine inerest in ensuring that all who ride motorcycles can continue to do so with the minimum of regulation somtimes that means you have to cover your bases but this is done so that the general public only see us in a good light we both have riden motorcycles since we were 15 years old and Paul has raced bikes succesfully winning many Auckland and National Titles aswell as winning the castrol 2 hour and 6 hour events. Before taking on the Job at MNZ Paul was operations Manager At the largest Food beverage liquor and tobacco Distribution company in New Zealand Covering branches in Whangerai Auckland Hamilton Tauranga Rotorua and Gisbourn. All of this managment experience will be of great benefit to any city manager.

So I am asking for all of us south Auckland bikers to support and vote for Paul Pavletich for Mayor of Manukau City

So I'm guessing thats why you have your heckles up?

[Mishy]

the young up and coming riders that do not have substantial sponsorships who earn less than $30,000 per year can not afford expensive suspension and engine mods, this is why in road racing the field is dwindling.

Wrong - just wrong. The big cost is the bike, and you just can't get away from that. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING stopping someone riding a near stock bike - as we did a couple of years ago with jay Lawrence on an R6, and while his results were good, the tyres lasted 20 laps max, and it was an unstable pile at the pace he rides at.
If there are guys out there that want to race in 600 SP, but don't want to spend the "big bucks" there are LOTS of ways of cutting costs, and still producing a good enough bike. The vast majority of the work the top guys do is only ever going to get small improvements, and the top bikes are not light years faster than the ones lower down the field.
We had GREAT numbers out in the 600 SP class for most of last season, and no matter how much you piss and moan, the class works.

[Mishy]

who is that then? yourself the ohlins dealer and maybe the Yoshimura dealer? Oh I forgot and Paul Stewart who is the father inlaw of the Yoshimura dealer that adds up to three by my calculations.

behind the scenes you will find that Paul has a good rapport with the motorcycle and accessory importers. Robert is very vocal, but his opinions are shared by many within the industry. My own position gives me a significant insight into this, and i will tell you for nothing that your calculations are without foundation.
Never forget - as a whole we motorcyclists are looking more and more to the motorcycle industry to put more into our sport financially. Just look at Reds proposal, or many other posts saying "we just need to get the importers to put more in, like. . . . . or sponsor us for ....... if we do well " well - why would they when motorcyclists are also looking to cut the market in half ? reduce the market, and you should expect us to reduce our input - simple.
The current rules work pretty well, and there is scope to compete without building a bike to the utter limit of the laws. Without the goodwill of the industry the sport will be much worse off, so i suggest you stop bagging those who feed your sport.

[Scouse]

I think i know why your so emotive about this....and that is the reason why your opinions are now probally now to be taken with a grain or two???

Found this in another thread




So I'm guessing thats why you have your heckles up?

Yea just like mr budda is a mate of Paul Stewart but then your not really interested in that fact are you because it does not suit your agenda

[White trash]

Yea just like mr budda is a mate of Paul Stewart but then your not really interested in that fact are you because it does not suit your agenda

It's all good. This is a public forum and everyone has opinions, that's why it's interesting. Especially when the opinions differ.

However, take a read back through the contibutions to this thread, count the pro Paul S posters versus the pro Paul P posters, and see where the majority lies.

As this very website represents not only the biggest cross section of motorcyclists in NZ, but the largest single gathering of road racers and professionals associated with the sport, a democratic organization such as MNZ would surely take note and decide it's time for a change.

You can slag RT and "The Yoshimura" dealer as much as you like for having a so called vsted interest, but the fact remains that the majority of racers and contributors throw all their money at this sport with very little reward and no commercial gain. They aggree with these sentiments.

[ajturbo]

But has anyone watched Formula Ford and Toyota Racing Series on the box very recently? The fields are thin in many auto racing classes as well.

HOW DARE YOU WATCH CAR RACING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wow that was helpful in this forum ...

so now is the time for a change...
set up our own insurance, race-format...

and not have to pay the mnz a fee.. therefore we can then put that money into prise money???

fuck what would i know.. i ride (cough) a buell....

[Scouse]

It's all good. This is a public forum and everyone has opinions, that's why it's interesting. Especially when the opinions differ.

However, take a read back through the contibutions to this thread, count the pro Paul S posters versus the pro Paul P posters, and see where the majority lies.

As this very website represents not only the biggest cross section of motorcyclists in NZ, but the largest single gathering of road racers and professionals associated with the sport, a democratic organization such as MNZ would surely take note and decide it's time for a change.

You can slag RT and "The Yoshimura" dealer as much as you like for having a so called vsted interest, but the fact remains that the majority of racers and contributors throw all their money at this sport with very little reward and no commercial gain. They aggree with these sentiments.

Ah thank you Jimmy for a decent contrary post. your points are well put unlike some of the other posters who seem to take my support for Paul Pav's side of the fence personally against them selves.

[cowpoos]

Yea just like mr budda is a mate of Paul Stewart but then your not really interested in that fact are you because it does not suit your agenda

Well I don't really have an agenda...I don't know either paul personally...I can just see from an employers point of view that thier are some leadership issuse's in New Zealand Road racing. and any opinion I do have is evolving as more information comes to light. as should anyones really...Emotions are are arse...they cloud judgement

[cowpoos]

Ah thank you Jimmy for a decent contary post. your points are well put unlike some of the other posters who seem to take my suport for Paul Pav's side of the fence personally against them selves.

Another quick point...I'm sure you have emailed Paul Pav a link to this thread.
He's more than welcome to join and respond. he won't get lynched..and if people tryed...they would be repremanded quickly by senior mods on this site...he may get some constructive critisium...which as a CEO is part of his job...as it is the members of MNZ that provide him with the job in the first place...like shareholders of a public company.

[Robert Taylor]

Another quick point...I'm sure you have emailed Paul Pav a link to this thread.
He's more than welcome to join and respond. he won't get lynched..and if people tryed...they would be repremanded quickly by senior mods on this site...he may get some constructive critisium...which as a CEO is part of his job...as it is the members of MNZ that provide him with the job in the first place...like shareholders of a public company.

For the record I personally have a cordial relationship with Paul Pavletich, not close but we can pass the time of day without trying to tear each others throats out. He also knows only too well that I disagree with many but not all of his proposals and that I do not support his tenure of CEO. Agree to disagree.

[Robert Taylor]

HOW DARE YOU WATCH CAR RACING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wow that was helpful in this forum ...

so now is the time for a change...
set up our own insurance, race-format...

and not have to pay the mnz a fee.. therefore we can then put that money into prise money???

fuck what would i know.. i ride (cough) a buell....

I like car racing! Interestingly I have this morning been watching the North Island MX champs here in my home town, the fields are noticably thinner in that sport as well. The recession has had an impact in all sports but that is no reason in itself to propose cost cutting that will impact on safety etc.

[budda]

Yea just like mr budda is a mate of Paul Stewart but then your not really interested in that fact are you because it does not suit your agenda

Jeez Scouse, you seem to know a lot - actually you THINK you know a lot.
Up until Paul became Road Race Commissioner ( hope i speldt that rite ) I had never met the man. We met when I went and helped with the simple things, like installing signage at the Champs meetings, and then taking it back down.
Actually, that'd be why I dont know you - the road race Commission members and myself are DOERS, dont recollect bumping into you DOING anything but taking

I COULD be wrong, but I dont think so - and if I am, at least I'M man enough to admit it and try to get it right next time - how about you and your mate ?

The systemic undermining and interference goes back a LOT further than this season - talk in the past of Paul walking stemmed from the same sense of frustration at the same problem - not everything Pav does is counter-productive at all. This is NOT an anti-Pav mission - Just that on this issue his inept ( my words ) handling of some very real issues has now finally cost the Sport Paul and his Team

As MNZ members we may all have to take it up the wrongun on this one, but dont expect to ME to smile about it .......

[budda]

HOW DARE YOU WATCH CAR RACING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wow that was helpful in this forum ...

so now is the time for a change...
set up our own insurance, race-format...

and not have to pay the mnz a fee.. therefore we can then put that money into prise money???

fuck what would i know.. i ride (cough) a buell....

Dont stress AJ, the world needs more spuds harvested.

Just so I'm clear, what exactly IS this mysterious "fee" that MNZ takes ?

[CHOPPA]

What are all the things that Paul Pav has done that seem to be the prob?

Serious question btw