Huntly, we have a problem...

[cowpoos]

http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/down...nuary_2008.pdf

http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/down..._Plan_2008.pdf

[cs363]

Scratcha. You make a good point though.
I think (will stand corrected) that MNZ is affiliated with FIM .
On our little bit of the world that means squat.
Licencing etc could be administered by the tomato growers association for all the difference it makes.
( Except for the licence holders life insurance we have whilst competing.)
Where it gets tricky is if a rider wants to race overseas.
You need a FIM affiliate in order to be able to get international licence and insurance cover.
Could an alternative governing body for road racing be set up?
Good question.
I think the most likely issue would be if MX riders wanted to road race -2 worries MNZ blackballing and MXers having to get two licences.
Another concern would be --would FIM recignise 2 motorcycle race organisations?


Could someone remind me what actually happened to the old administration n NZ--the ACU (Auto Cycle Union?)

Interesting that this conversation was had in the bears community a few years back

Without FIM affiliation it would make it very difficult if not impossible to host international events and host international riders who are affiliated. Probably make it quite difficult for any talented young riders to get a start overseas too I imagine.

[Tony.OK]

http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/down...nuary_2008.pdf

http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/down..._Plan_2008.pdf

So ermmmmm..........

3.0 OBJECTS OF MNZ
3.1 To conduct, control, promote, foster and develop motorcycle sport and recreation within New Zealand.
More MX than Road it would seem
3.2 To govern and administer motorcycle sport in New Zealand.
3.3 To encourage participation by members in international events and to select members to represent New Zealand in
International competitions, including World and Oceania Championships, and to co-ordinate and arrange the
management of New Zealand teams both within New Zealand and overseas.
3.4 To support and encourage the holding in New Zealand of international, national, regional and local competitions,
championships and other events.
Not much support shown
3.5 To require all MNZ members including riders, coaches, other members, officers and affiliated clubs to adhere to and
enforce any then current MNZ Code of Conduct.
3.6 To provide a process by way of hearing, appeal or otherwise to deal with all disputes and disciplinary matters in
relation to motorcycle competition and events run under MNZ.
3.7 To advance the interests of, and provide facilities and services for all motorcyclists in New Zealand
Mmmmmmm?
3.8 To represent the interests of affiliated clubs and organisations and of all motorcyclists in promoting or opposing
bills, legislation or any proposal or schemes by governmental or other authorities that affect those interests.
3.9 To promote the safety of all motorcycle activities in New Zealand.
3.10 To foster and encourage co-operation between all Motorcycle clubs and other motorcycling organisations.
Mmmmmmmm again

The best bit............

The CEO shall provide each Commission with such assistance, guidance, expertise, support and resources as may
be reasonably necessary to enable each Commission to function effectively, efficiently and economically.
Tui anyone?
The CEO shall be primarily responsible for implementing the direction, policy, plans or rules set by the GB or
Commissions. The CEO shall also be primarily responsible for all commercial, financial or contractual matters
involving MNZ.
Commission members and the CEO are expected to consult with one another and work cooperatively and
harmoniously together.
Someones not following the rules
All are subject to the overall direction and control of the GB.

[Maarty]

The bit that is really scary though and give the ultimate power is



The CEO shall provide each Commission with such assistance, guidance, expertise, support and resources as may
be reasonably necessary to enable each Commission to function effectively, efficiently and economically

The CEO shall be primarily responsible for implementing the direction, policy, plans or rules set by the GB or Commissions.

Surely this means that the CEO should do just that without deviating from the agreed agend?
The CEO shall also be primarily responsible for all commercial, financial or contractual matters
involving MNZCommission members and the CEO are expected to consult with one another and work cooperatively and
harmoniously together.

All are subject to the overall direction and control of the GB.

So ermmmmm..........



The best bit............

[sidecar bob]

Without FIM affiliation it would make it very difficult if not impossible to host international events and host international riders who are affiliated. Probably make it quite difficult for any talented young riders to get a start overseas too I imagine.

Really?? If i felt the urge to race in Australia, what is stopping me from joining say the Brisbane motorcycle club & obtaining an Aussie racing licence? I have met many non Kiwis with MNZ licences, so surely the reverse is also possible? I doubt the lack of a bit of paper from the Huntly Tomato Fanciers Institute would actually stop any young talent from racing in any other country.

[cs363]

Really?? If i felt the urge to race in Australia, what is stopping me from joining say the Brisbane motorcucle club & obtaining an Aussie racing licence? I have met many non Kiwis with MNZ licences, so surely the reverse is also possible? I doubt the lack of a bit of paper from the Huntly Tomato Fanciers Institute would actually stop any young talent from racing in any other country.

I said difficult, not impossible.....

And besides, to get an FIM licence in Australia (as opposed to an Australian competition licence) you need to be an Australian citizen or permanent resident. I would imagine this is the same in most countries. If you just want to do national races in other countries then what you say above stands, I guess it's down to what your goals are.

[scracha]

Scratcha. You make a good point though.
I think (will stand corrected) that MNZ is affiliated with FIM .

If it's properly administered and safely ran then FIM affiliation would not be a problem. Why on earth would FIM not come to the party if all the roadracers in NZ formed their own organisation? First place to start would be here I guess :-
http://www.fim-live.com/en/fim/continental-unions/

I think the most likely issue would be if MX riders wanted to road race -2 worries MNZ blackballing and MXers having to get two licences.

I'm sure the split could be done amicably MXers having two licenses, well that's a minority of people and to be honest, it's two different disciplines so why shouldn't they have two different licenses.

he MNZ situation is fixable, it entails changing some of the people. Its a bit like Governments, you get what you vote for. If you dont like what you get, remove them.

Some things are inherently badly designed and are best scrapped. Viva la revolution.

[FROSTY:Me]

Without FIM affiliation it would make it very difficult if not impossible to host international events and host international riders who are affiliated. Probably make it quite difficult for any talented young riders to get a start overseas too I imagine.

Sorry dude that was actually my point.

Really?? If i felt the urge to race in Australia, what is stopping me from joining say the Brisbane motorcycle club & obtaining an Aussie racing licence? I have met many non Kiwis with MNZ licences, so surely the reverse is also possible? I doubt the lack of a bit of paper from the Huntly Tomato Fanciers Institute would actually stop any young talent from racing in any other country.

If you are prepared to bend the rules to compete in a local championship sure but all it would take would be one whinger and all would be lost

mind you- jUST a thought -what would happen if we alighned ourselves with the auzzies? --have NZ as a "state" branch of their ruling body.
-The actual question Im asking here is --are the auzzies doing the road race thing better than us??

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

The MNZ situation is fixable, it entails changing some of the people. Its a bit like Governments, you get what you vote for. If you dont like what you get, remove them.

how do we fix the situation. PP is employed by the board, how do we communicate with the board?
do we have to wait for the next AGM?

[scott411]

http://www.mnz.co.nz/contactus.aspx

all email address for board members are listed there,

[FROSTY:Me]

Guys just a little word of warning here.
There are always 2 sides to any story. Flogging via an internet forum where only one side of the story has been clearly presented is fraught with danger.

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[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

It is up to the MNZ board to evaluate the performance of its staff. NOTHING will be achieved on this forum without direct communication with the board members. Let them know what your thoughts, and let them decide on appropriate action.

[sidecar bob]

Guys just a little word of warning here.
There are always 2 sides to any story. Flogging via an internet forum where only one side of the story has been clearly presented is fraught with danger.

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I dont doubt there are two sides & i would very much welcome a representative from the "other" side into this forum for the purposes of a calm & rational discussion.
Every time i view this thread i see that there are X amount of members viewing & at least two guests. No prize money for guessing who the guests represent. I would say to you guys (guests) log on, identify yourselves & lets get this situation sorted.

[Grey Beard]

Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one.

This thread like most is happily going round in circles.

The People that MNZ's CEO reports to are:

President: Sandra Perry president@mnz.co.nz
NI On-Road Board member Trevor Heaphy tjheaphy@xtra.co.nz
SI On-Road Board member Dave Morris dbmorris@xtra.co.nz

Drop them a line (GOOD LUCK).

Some more food for thought.

All riders, Life members and Stewards of MNZ are about to receive a set of Voting papers to elect a new President and two Board members.

"The people in Huntly are NOT MNZ, You are MNZ."

At present the President and Board of MNZ are basically allowing the PAID EMPLOYEES to do what they like.

IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT, YOU HAVE TO VOTE

Find out who is standing, why they are standing and then VOTE.

[Wingnut]

Find out who is standing, why they are standing and then VOTE.

Can someone please post this information here as some of us are a little out of the "Loop" as far as knowing who is who and what their motivation is.

Cheers