Tyrewarmer ban.

[lostinflyz]

Do they use shock warmers in F1?

Freudian Slip . I'm sure you meant tyrewarmers but it does indicate whats on your mind I guess.

The threads gone off topic a bit and no ones attemped to answer my original questions.

I'm all for tyrewarmers for certain classes. But banning them in others and the use of a street rubber (sorry Steve very loose wording) control tyre would add diversity.

Motoracing should appeal to capitalists/socialists/communists etc alike. I would rather be in pit full of socialists as I'm sure the atmoshere would be alot more pleasant. I think you might as well as a pit full of capitalists would be really hard work. Capitalism only seems to work when theres non-capitalists about.

Possibly Bridgestone is upset because their product is always covered up by tyre blankets so they are losing all that advertising. Capitalists. Who knows.

god knows what the use in F1. just an example, they have to pre heat the engine oil before starting the engine as the assembled tolerances and thermal expansion make the engine fundamentaly siezed at standard temperatures.

so should we ban anything that doesn't allow you to rock up at 9am and go ape shit in your f1 car.

bridgestone wanted no warmers because they had been attempting to develop the new slick tyres for no warmers, and didn't like people saying they weren't good enough. i know it was stopped because cars on green (new, cold) tyres would be verrrry slow and the speed differential is not good.

comments like this are what killed off demonic and kick arse race bikes. 250gp maybe meaningless to the road but 2 supersport champs do no better.

[GSVR]

Thanks for that, I meant exactly what I typed. Its all about chemistry and physics, at the moment there is no technology for making a race specific tyre that works at all temperatures. Similarly a shock that operates best at 60 degrees celsius is going to be lethargic on a cold frosty Taupo morning when its starting temperature is at ambient.
And heck why do we have multigrade oils? Its also very fortunate that we have capitalism to fund ongoing development.

I think we have discussed this all before with fork warmers and the fact that forks will operate at ambient temp. So everyones out in the shed now changing their fork oil for the winter series.

Personally I think the writing will be on the wall when the Vic Club bans the use of heated handgrips for their series.

Why not have heated rims that keep the tyres warm for slow riders like myself?
Must say the tyre wamers I had on today worked a treat except the grip level seemed less the more I rode as the tyres cooled down.

[cowpoos]

I think we have discussed this all before with fork warmers and the fact that forks will operate at ambient temp. So everyones out in the shed now changing their fork oil for the winter series.

Personally I think the writing will be on the wall when the Vic Club bans the use of heated handgrips for their series.

Why not have heated rims that keep the tyres warm for slow riders like myself?
Must say the tyre wamers I had on today worked a treat except the grip level seemed less the more I rode as the tyres cooled down.

Personally Gary...I want to know what your trying to acvhieve with all these daft threads lately?? you seem very anti about the improvments in motorcycle technology?? and the Jist I'm getting from you is that you would rather us all be riding honda ct90's completely stock!!

and in all honesty...most of us are racing for the thrill...battling your skills of mind[race craft,setup knowledge,concentration, anilitical ability,etc], body [balance,co-ordination,fitness,perception,etc], soul [drive, heart, afinity for other racers,desire for improvement, DEDICATION ie: working 5 jobs to have what you need]...and being able to be 'THAT PERSON' that on the day has the package to be the fastest person,consistantly at that track in his/hers class...and those people just do what it takes!!

people want to go faster than anyone else...not dumb shit down!!

and one thing I know for certian...whinging doesn't make you faster!!

So whats the deal Gary?? what is really your issuse lately?? because every thread you have started seem to have some under lining meaning...that seems to be just an afront to some Issuse you seem to have. so spit it out!!

[Robert Taylor]

Personally Gary...I want to know what your trying to acvhieve with all these daft threads lately?? you seem very anti about the improvments in motorcycle technology?? and the Jist I'm getting from you is that you would rather us all be riding honda ct90's completely stock!!

and in all honesty...most of us are racing for the thrill...battling your skills of mind[race craft,setup knowledge,concentration, anilitical ability,etc], body [balance,co-ordination,fitness,perception,etc], soul [drive, heart, afinity for other racers,desire for improvement, DEDICATION ie: working 5 jobs to have what you need]...and being able to be 'THAT PERSON' that on the day has the package to be the fastest person,consistantly at that track in his/hers class...and those people just do what it takes!!

people want to go faster than anyone else...not dumb shit down!!

and one thing I know for certian...whinging doesn't make you faster!!

So whats the deal Gary?? what is really your issuse lately?? because every thread you have started seem to have some under lining meaning...that seems to be just an afront to some Issuse you seem to have. so spit it out!!

Yeah its definitely headshake material isnt it Poos!
Id be worried for the sake of sanity if willy warmers were banned, in their absence there would be yet more people typing abject nonsense with their one free hand.

[Shaun]

Yeah its definitely headshake material isnt it Poos!
Id be worried for the sake of sanity if willy warmers were banned, in their absence there would be yet more people typing abject nonsense with their one free hand.
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That was actually funny Robert

[sinfull]

Yeah its definitely headshake material isnt it Poos!
Id be worried for the sake of sanity if willy warmers were banned, in their absence there would be yet more people typing abject nonsense with their one free hand.

Oi don't even suggest that !! I don't perform well in the cold at all !
Cheers
Willy

[GSVR]

Oi don't even suggest that !! I don't perform well in the cold at all !
Cheers
Willy

Hope your've ordered a shockwarmer for the upcoming winter series. Or your pogo stick will be slow and lethargic.

[j-lo69]

I reckon those that want tyre warmers and decent suspension banned..... should look at road racing pushbikes

good on ya. i fully agree. tyre warmers are needed in nz for the tyres we use. most racers cn get a set of race tyres for the same as street. but why would a racer buy a set of tyres so they can go slower an risk alot more because of the lack of grip. not many people find sliping an sliding around the track alday a good day....... ok some do a good street tyre is still designed to run at a lower temp than a race so by racing them will only shag them faster, less grip, less fun, cost you more.

[cowpoos]

Hope your've ordered a shockwarmer for the upcoming winter series. Or your pogo stick will be slow and lethargic.

are you going to answer my question Gary??

[GSVR]

Shouldn't tyre manufacturers be developing tyres that grip just was well when cold as when hot. Manufacturers use motoracing to develop and show off products and technologies that eventually make it to the road going vehicles. How many people have tire warmers fitted to their roadbike or car before they go out for a ride or drive.

The use of tyrewarmers is doing nothing for the development of road tyres and the rubber being delevoped has no real world use except for the racetrack. If tyrewarmers where banned and tires had to be fitted at ambient temp the tyres developed would instantly be of benefit for roadusers.

When do you think tyrewarmers may be banned in WSBK for example? It may be sooner than you think! When tyrewarmers are banned in Formula 1 how many years later will the same happen in MotoGP or are the two so completely different that the comparsion is irrelevant.

This is what the threads about. Just because the Right Mr Taylor wants to jump on every thread I start to push his barrow and post crap doesn't mean I have to respond. Same goes for you Poos piss off and start your own thread. Don't expect me to answer your questions if you haven't even read the thread and attempted to answer its questions.
As I've said before if you think a thread is "daft" don't post on it and it will die a natural death.

F1 was interesting again in the wet with a Redbull 1 2.

[svr]

I reckon those that want tyre warmers and decent suspension banned..... should look at road racing pushbikes

I do that too, and can tell you that pushbike racing has all sorts of technical rules and bans to keep it `about the rider' - which really where Garry is coming from and to my mind an entirely valid `ridercentrist' position to take - at least as valid as its opposite - the technocentrist position. Like every ideological slant however every case should still be evaluated on merit.
Not sure how many people posting here raced pre and post tyre-warmers but I'd say that overall from a riders viewpoint I think tyre warmers are (generally) worth the expense, hassle (and maybe event the constant generator noise that has ruined the pit atmosphere). But a ban may suit specific classes e.g. the mooted nakedbike class or pro-twins?

[GSVR]

I do that too, and can tell you that pushbike racing has all sorts of technical rules and bans to keep it `about the rider' - which really where Garry is coming from and to my mind an entirely valid `ridercentrist' position to take - at least as valid as its opposite - the technocentrist position. Like every ideological slant however every case should still be evaluated on merit.
Not sure how many people posting here raced pre and post tyre-warmers but I'd say that overall from a riders viewpoint I think tyre warmers are (generally) worth the expense, hassle (and maybe event the constant generator noise that has ruined the pit atmosphere). But a ban may suit specific classes e.g. the mooted nakedbike class or pro-twins?

Are you allowed tyre warmers in Streetstock? I'm all for them in Superbike and Supersport

[Str8 Jacket]

Are you allowed tyre warmers in Streetstock?

I gather you are talking Streetstock 150?
If so then VMCC supplementary rules do not allow us to use tyre warmers, however down south they are allowed too. I dont actually care either way... Dunlop TT's FTW!

[svr]

and in all honesty...most of us are racing for the thrill...battling your skills of mind[race craft,setup knowledge,concentration, anilitical ability,etc], body [balance,co-ordination,fitness,perception,etc], soul [drive, heart, afinity for other racers,desire for improvement, DEDICATION ie: working 5 jobs to have what you need]...and being able to be 'THAT PERSON' that on the day has the package to be the fastest person,consistantly at that track in his/hers class...and those people just do what it takes!!

people want to go faster than anyone else...not dumb shit down!!

and one thing I know for certian...whinging doesn't make you faster!!

So whats the deal Gary?? what is really your issuse lately?? because every thread you have started seem to have some under lining meaning...that seems to be just an afront to some Issuse you seem to have. so spit it out!!

So, say, running, as a sport, would be enhanced if everyone was allowed titanium spring shoe technology that required 5 jobs to purchase and maintain and a squad of technicians to service? No-one would take it up until 35 yrs old, the talent and level would be mediocre, the handful of people who had sacrificed education, travel, families education etc., to do it (& the spring technicians/salesmen) would declare that it was `worth it'. Sound like a sport we know?

[Kevin G]

I gather you are talking Streetstock 150?
If so then VMCC supplementary rules do not allow us to use tyre warmers, however down south they are allowed too. I dont actually care either way... Dunlop TT's FTW!

Tyre warmers are banned in streetstock class according to the MNZ rules for streetstock. They are not used "down south".

I remember when tyre warmers were just a dream of most NZ racers, (wind back the clock) in 250 proddie it was a test of bravery (or skill) who could go the fastest on cold rubber, it certainly added another element to racing but usually ended up in massive pile ups with pepole pushing too hard on cold rubber.

They are available and inexpensive and if it makes racing safer then why ditch them?