No License

[davebullet]

I'm about to sit my full license - which does not prove my ability to ride anything greater than a 250cc... yet I can go buy a 2.3L Rocket and ride it legally (and unsafely). There is no sense in that.

[short-circuit]

I'm about to sit my full license - which does not prove my ability to ride anything greater than a 250cc... yet I can go buy a 2.3L Rocket and ride it legally (and unsafely). There is no sense in that.

I'm telling mum on you if you've been riding that 650 of yours. But yeah the Rocket III would be a decent step up bike

[Genestho]

man on brand new 800cc+ black bike dressed in black but with dayglo vest for safety ... and no bike license

wonder what the "lock up all the alchos and she'll be right" brigade will think of that ?

Oh my, nice to see B.A.D.D is still in your thoughts...

Lol. You are misguided on "the brigade", and you cannot speak on behalf of the "brigade".

Go to my website and have a catchup dude.
It's ok with you, if I encourage awareness of the possible consequences of drinking and then driving, support youth education and find solutions isn't it? Considering I've been directly involved?
I sincerely hope I have't offended you by doing so, I didnt exactly pick the situation, but I don't have to defend my choice of outcome!!!!

I have never said "lockup alchos" and she'll be right, I have also acknowledged there is 70% of other factors that cause crashes and fatalities.

This thread, since you initiated it... and Kb'ers, might benefit from your knowledge in no licensing claims....you never know who you might help.


So I say.... Instead of taking an attempted swipe at people like myself, trying to do good things, that you may - or may not agree with, I'd request you to....

"Show us ya stats" Big Boy Get to the point of why you started the Thread....

[Swoop]

They say, "bugger it! I'm not going to get a 250cc bike and a learner's permit!" So they don't. They just buy a big bike and ride it.

I know plenty of people like that, and for every one I know of there must be dozens of others. Not unusual at all.

Also, very little chance of being caught unless an accident or a checkpoint appears... once again, a remote chance.

Iwhat had me confused was the dayglo jacket - why worry about being seen?

The best camoflage.
Others do not take any notice of "hi-viz" jackets now, since every man and his dog wear the bloody things.
The best place to hide an elephant is with a bunch of other elephants...

[jafar]

tend to disagree with you on that one - we get more than the odd claim arising from some dork riding without the skillset

and yes, there is definitely a correlation between not bothering to take the training required to pass a basic license test and skills demonstrated by these lazy cynical useless riders

Your talking from an insurance claim point of view and are making the basic mistake of thinking that a licence gives someone a skillset, it doesn't.

There are lots of riders out there with no licence that have excellent skills.
Ex moto riders for example , or riders that had licence's before the gibberment changed the rules & who's records have been lost. The skills are there but the bits of paper are not.
Then there are also the ones that have no licence because they lost it, still have the skills they had ( or didn't have ) before.
Some are just plain arrogant & can't be bothered with going to get a licence, others simply can't afford it.

Then we get the ones that are just too stupid to get a licence ( the ones your talking about ), they are often easy to spot as they wear slipon shoes cos tying the laces is too hard, dirty t-shirts cos a washing machine is difficult to operate & jeans that hang down past their arse crack cos the concept of a belt is beyond them & braces are what you wear on your teeth.

[klingon]

tend to disagree with you on that one - we get more than the odd claim arising from some dork riding without the skillset

and yes, there is definitely a correlation between not bothering to take the training required to pass a basic license test and skills demonstrated by these lazy cynical useless riders

There are (at least) two completely different categories of people riding without licences:

1) Inexperienced, never held a licence, not interested in learning the basic skills

2) Experienced (even if it's a long time ago) had a licence at some point but object to doing it all over again.

I would suggest that the older buell rider with the reflective vest is highly likely to fall into the second category.

And remember, it's perfectly legal to ride a 49cc scooter with no licence and no warrant!

[Mikkel]

Well, not having a license means you can't get insurance for starters. I have my own strong opinion on the matter of riding without insurance...

Also, the cops aren't likely to impound your bike just because you haven't got the correct license - not the first time they pull you over at least. Second time, who knows? Would seem unreasonable not to impound someone who didn't have the license in the first place if you're willing to impound someone who's been a little bit naughty but actually has the endorsement.

[vgcspares]

this thread has (or at least had) got naff all to do with insurance, claims, drink driving or anything else but the complete idiocy of admitting you don't have the skills (which the person concerned did) having already gone out and bought a brand new bike bike

the one track record brigade jumped in as I knew they would but where is everyone coming from who thinks the above is defensible from any grown up standpoint ?

and while statistically its hard to prove that having a bit of plastic makes you a better rider, it might be worth remembering the oft mentioned belief that those in the car fraternity who didn't take any training and bought their licenses can't on average drive as well as those that did .. or is that just too much like common sense

[Headbanger]

The difference between a wanker and a non-wanker is not whether or not they have a little piece of plastic from the Government.

Was this person being a wanker?, if not then wtf has it got to do with you if he chooses to ride?

[sunhuntin]

actually, theres plenty of wankers around that do have the bit of paper as well. look at all the scooter chicks wearing next to nothing, yet hold a license.

but i fully agree on your second point... unless someones acting like a cock, whats the problem?

[McJim]

Your talking from an insurance claim point of view and are making the basic mistake of thinking that a licence gives someone a skillset, it doesn't.

There are lots of riders out there with no licence that have excellent skills.
Ex moto riders for example , or riders that had licence's before the gibberment changed the rules & who's records have been lost. The skills are there but the bits of paper are not.
Then there are also the ones that have no licence because they lost it, still have the skills they had ( or didn't have ) before.
Some are just plain arrogant & can't be bothered with going to get a licence, others simply can't afford it.

Then we get the ones that are just too stupid to get a licence ( the ones your talking about ), they are often easy to spot as they wear slipon shoes cos tying the laces is too hard, dirty t-shirts cos a washing machine is difficult to operate & jeans that hang down past their arse crack cos the concept of a belt is beyond them & braces are what you wear on your teeth.

You forgot people like me with a full licence and zero skillz - I only got it coz the NZ gubbernmint is to generous to make it difficult to pass the full licence test.

I would never have got a bike licence back in blighty. I'm a complete fuckwit and would get completely owned by the likes of Carver and Skidmark. They are the true biker gods.

[_STAIN_]

Just a piece of paper mate (well a plastic card thingy now I hear?)

yip and I have never known a bike to be any slower without one

[Blackshear]

My neighbour has ahd his Harley for maybe 3 years now. Asked to borrow my bike for an hour to sit his full.
'Just don't wring her cold neck or break her.'

Found 3 12 packs of bourbon on my doorstep the next morning.

I still wonder what made him take his full after that long without one.

[Gummie]

Had a couple of guys wanting a trailer today. Worked out one had either learners or restricted. He had sold his 250 and has bought a 750.
His comments on this was along the lines of that the cops cant catch a bike.
Early 20s and they think that because they have a bigger bike they will just out run the cops and they have the experience to do this.
I would put my opinion on this.

[Genestho]

Originally Posted by vgcspares
man on brand new 800cc+ black bike dressed in black but with dayglo vest for safety ... and no bike license

wonder what the "lock up all the alchos and she'll be right" brigade will think of that ?



"the one track record brigade jumped in as I knew they would"

Oh I see...... Interesting, well, knock me down with a feather...I hear you should never feed the trolls

I don't know what your problem is, with my organisation mate.
I'm not bothered if you disagree.

FYI.
Here's a little headsup.....usually people chitchat using a polite and respectful manner, as we humans are quite capable of, regardless of what you believe in.
Don't waste my time with your bollocks dude.
It's completely unnessacary. Life is short. Is that common sense?
I'm done...As you were....